I'll likely be in the chat closer to 10:00, but if I can get in earlier, I will! See ya in a little while, @NinSage !

In that case, let's use the NinTemple chat ( http://us10.chatzy.com/257587304963 ). That way, I will get an audio alert when you type something in the chat. The NegWorld chat might also do audio alerts, but, when a Pokemon's future is on the line, I don't want to risk it!!

See ya there!

It's kinda amusing that xbob accused me of being a fanboy or whatever for stating that I felt that E.V. training had become tolerable despite my willingness to bash I.V.'s as just an obtuse mechanic.

You see I decided I wanted to get a larvitar with pursuit because frankly I find that my current Tyranitar setup forces alot of switches which I wanted to take advantage of.

And I decided, you know, maybe I'll try to get a good set of I.V.'s as well just while I'm at it.

About 2/3rds a box full of rejects later I've decided to breed in dragon dance and stealth rock because frankly I feel like I might as well do that as well (and I can pass dragon dance onto a charmander later on.)

My latest post on miiverse expresses my annoyance at this whole system and literally as soon as I hit post I find that cute little orange light saying I have a notification.

Someone apparently gave my post a yeah literally seconds after it was posted.

Right now I'm waiting for the level 75 tyrantrum I have to *insert NSFW word here* the level 20-something female larvitar that had the most perfect I.V.'s (Tyrantrum had a perfect speed I.V. so I'm gonna try to push that one into it's offspring as well)

I have to admit the way that you can manipulate the RNG to increase your chances of getting what you want is kinda fun but that is still one majorly sadistic RNG.

I just wish I could post screens on Miiverse. What's up with that? I had a Mr. Mime that fell asleep and he was still miming. Hilarious.

Also I need a Spritzee or an Aromatisse. Can anyone help me out? Let me know if you need anything.

We would also like a Spritzee....and we are willing to trade....NOTHING. Your Pokemon will soon be ours!

Can anyone helps with getting some mons? I'm trying to get Ryhperior and Spritzee at the moment.

I may have a spritzee, do you have rhyperior's evo item? I don't think I have mine anymore.

I haven't checked. I'm going to be away for the weekend though so I don't think I'll be able to do this. Not sure if I have Protector.

What a dumb way to make Pokemon evolve btw.

They've done worse, Larvesta's a pain in the rear to evolve.

Heck sligoo can only evolve if you can get it to evolve during natural rain.(rain dance won't work)
Fully evolving porygon requires two trade evolutions each of which requires a specific item.

I'm starting to really think game freak is just messing with us.

I think they just want to sell us Pokedexes and stuff.

@pokepal148

They're just trying to make things feel like accomplishments when people finally do them.

@NinSage
Things like holding your 3ds upside down isn't an achievement though, it's unnecessarily complex.

Yeah I don't necessarily feel accomplished for looking up Pokemon on Bulbapedia and having to read about why I need to trade Rhyhorn with a Protector to make it evolve. I wish it was just clearly written in the game. I'm just doing an internet scavenger hunt at this point. I might give up my quest to "see em all" pretty soon.

@NinSage
So where can I find the stupid items I need to get Porygon fully evolved anyway I mean I know that I can get them from the battle maison but I'm not paying 32 bp for a 1 use evolution item, forget that. Now there has to be another way to get those items i mean... oh for @#$& sake.

That doesn't feel like an accomplishment, that feels like BS. Also I have to trade just to get porygon in the first place because he can't be found in x/y. In the possibly NSFW words of Malcom Tucker

I should mention that I am leisurely trying to complete the pokedex and I'm at 370-something caught, any help here would be great

@Pokefreak911

That's one evolution. They tried to get creative. It's also reflected in the resulting PKMN's design so I give them credit for that.

@PogueSquadron

The game isn't meant to be played like that though. It's meant for you to go on a "journey" and talk to your friends around the lunch table or water cooler... not consult a sterile wiki. "OMG, Sarah traded a ____ while holding ____ and it evolved! That's the trick!" That's the result this kind of game design aims for.

@pokepal148

Catching PKMN isn't supposed to be like checking boxes off of a list. It's supposed to be arduous and dynamic and non-linear to make the sense of a journey and an accomplishment that much greater. If you don't find the process rewarding, do something else in the game... I mean, if you're letting something like the perceived value of in-game currency hold you back, it doesn't seem like you're that determined to begin with.

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Catching 'em all is designed to feel like climbing Everest. Don't blame the mountain if it's too high for your tastes. Just go on a nice, enjoyable hike instead. There's nothing wrong with that!

That said, as someone who has completed a living 'Dex in both gen 5 and now 6, if you guys do want anything bred, I'd be happy to do it for you. But, only if you're enjoying yourselves. I don't feel like "helping" anyone do something that is making them unhappy.

@NinSage I believe the quote was I'm not paying 32 bp for a 1 use evolution item, forget that.

that said I have a shiny kecleon on offer for a porygon 2 that is holding a dubious disc. There is more then one way to skin a cat I believe is the phrase,

what's nice about mass breeding larvitar is that you can easily feed them to the GTS in return for stuff, I was able to use them to get myself an unevolved porygon, mudkip and treecko(now fully evolved) and now have another one going so I can get a meowth.

That leaves me with just rattata and koffing(and mew) for kanto's unobtainable Pokemon (which I plan to get the evolutions of myself outside of porygon)

I have a list here that could look nice in the OP

List of unobtainable Pokemon by reigon said:

Kanto Rattata, Raticate, Meowth, Persian, Koffing, Weezing, Porygon, Mew

JohtoChikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Cyndaquil, Quilava, Typhlosion, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Unown, Porygon2, Stantler, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia ,Ho-Oh, Celebi,

Hoenn Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Torchic (event), Combusken, Blaziken, Mudkip, Marshtomp, Swampert, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Baltoy, Claydol, Feebas, Milotic, Castform, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latias, Latios , Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys,

ShinnohTurtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Piplup, Prinplup, Empoleon, Kricketot, Kricketune, Cherubi, Cherrim, Buneary, Lopunny, Glameow, Purugly, Finneon, Lumineon, Porygon-z, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus,

UnovaVictini, Snivy, Servine, Serperior, Tepig, Pignite, Emboar, Oshawott, Dewott, Samurott, Cottonee, Whimsicott, Darumaka, Darmanitan, Yamask, Cofagrigus, Frillish,Jellicent, Tynamo, Eelektrik, Eelektross, Elgyem, Beheeyem, Bouffalant, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Thundurus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Landorus, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect

I don't know...I think that sense of discovery would be there, but the game gives you little indication as to how to get any of them. Is there any indication on how to get Rhyperior, for instance? If there is, maybe I missed it? Or that this Pokemon needs to be traded in order to evolve? Or that this Pokemon needs to evolve in the rain (only a natural rain, not one caused by a move in battle).

I feel like that sense of discovery can't be there unless I can discover it. I feel like this mentality is better suited to something like Animal Crossing, where the whole goal of the game is to just be laid back and enjoy life. "Catching 'em all" seems like it should be a task that's a little more accessible. Right now, it feels like the original Zelda where I have to burn every bush or bomb every wall....but much, much worse. It just doesn't feel like great game design to me (even though I've adored the game up until this point).

I don't doubt your Pokemon dedication...but you filled your Pokedex without having to look any of this stuff up??? How is that even possible? You'd have to check a TON of Pokemon with every hold item (assuming you HAVE every hold item), and if you still don't know how to get them to evolve, you'd have to trade them, or maybe trade them with a certain item (again, assuming you HAVE that item). Or I think there's a couple that only evolve in the rain, or during day or night. Or that some of them, you can only get when you breed them while holding a certain item. Or there's one like Ninjask/Shedinja....how could you have figured that out on your own? How did you do it?? It would take weeks for me to figure out how to just get one of them to evolve!

For me, I just don't want to go figuring out how to get Gengar for instance, without knowing how Haunter evolves. If I wind up leveling Haunter up a ton and nothing happens....well, there goes a couple hours I can't get back. Am I supposed to trade Pokemon with someone every time I can't figure out how to evolve it?

It stinks because up until now, I was having a ton of fun...but I'm thinking that it might be time for me to put the game down. I've loved trying to go through my Pokedex and see what I still need to get, but it's definitely becoming too tedious for me. I'm getting to the point where I need other people to fill the Pokedex up, and I'm not sure I really have the time/patience to get on the horn and trade with you all. It was fun while it lasted though. What has started as a fun way to end my day (been loving playing it in bed before going to sleep) has kind of started turning into a chore :-/.