Technically the wiimote+ IS superior. You can actually aim farther away from your character than with standard wiimote or dual joystick.

Stach does have a point where a pikmin virgin may have a tough time juggling everything. I would suggest wiimote+ w/out paying much attention to the WUG until you get used to the controls.

@Mr_Mustache

You seem to be operating under the misconception that you flick your wrist or use motion controls in some way to throw Pikmin. You don't, you tap A exactly the same as on the Gamepad. The only time you use motion controls is to leave Pikmin behind (aka dismissing them).

@Jargon

I tried explaining that to him.

But hey he knows better than someone who has actually used the controls apparently. Who am I to argue with a being of such natural wisdom?

@cooliocuneo

That's basically what I do, I keep forgetting about the tablet. I might use it a couple of times a mission searching for stray Pkmin or reminding myself of where I need to go, but I'm primarily focusing on the Wiichuck.

On a video I watched of someone platinuming a really hard mission, the person was using the GamePad. So clearly, it can't be that bad. But I definitely find aiming with the pointer more natural, and with my setup (the GamePad on its stand, on a TV tray in front of me), it's just about the perfect way to play.

Don't you have to shake the nunchuck while locked on to an enemy to swarm? That was the only thing I disliked about the wiimote/chuck setup, but if there's an alternative method to swarm, then I'll be damned.

Jargon said:

@Mr_Mustache

You seem to be operating under the misconception that you flick your wrist or use motion controls in some way to throw Pikmin. You don't, you tap A exactly the same as on the Gamepad. The only time you use motion controls is to leave Pikmin behind (aka dismissing them).

Man, if only Tim had said that way back when, it's almost like a stupid fight could've been avoided.. Thanks, buddy.

Shadowlink said:

I tried explaining that to him.

WHERE.

You only said "you give the nunchuck a little shake." And so on.
You very easily could've said exactly what Jargon said back on Page 16: problem solved, and helpful, too.

Try context Bucko.

Shadowlink said:

And what 'constant flicking of the wrist'?. You give the Nunchuck a little shake sometimes to dismiss Pikmin.

It doesn't take a genius to get from that to you ONLY SHAKE A LITTLE BIT. Why would I question your erroneous assumption of constant shaking if there was *any* constant shaking in the game? I specifically told you, NO SHAKING, apart from dismissal.

You know how else we could have avoided this stupid argument? I'll give you a hint:

Shadowlink said:

@Mr_Mustache

Look, you should actually give the controls a try, give yourself an idea of what is actually involved instead of just assuming things are bad.

It's easy enough to switch. If you start using the WiiChuck, it switches you, press a button on the tablet you back to the tablet. Pretty cool actually.

See if you had just taken my advice, instead of switching into Stubborn Mustache Mode where you continue to argue from a position of self-imposed ignorance, (not to mention dredging up previous pointless and unrelated arguments), maybe you could have learned something useful, as opposed to just looking silly like you do now.

@Shadowlink

Thats the nunchuk being shaken. What is the WiiRemote (one that usually need Wii Motion+ inside of it on the Wii U..you know, for excessive, accurate movement) doing? Just sitting there?

Yes, I stubbornly went and turned on my Wii U and ONLY PLAYED PIKMIN 3 the entire last day. I guess when Tim says "jump," I'm supposed to say "how high? and is that with Wii remote and nunchuck, or can I use the GamePad?" I have Pikmin 3 out of my "active" set of games right now. I DID play a bunch of Dr. Luigi though.

As ""silly"" as I may look, someone who I have a sordid past with was able to calmly and accurately tell me that I was operating under a misconception, which I was. and tell me in complete actuality how it worked. Perhaps you should take a slice of advice. As hard as you're typing over there, I'm really not sure what you're trying to Win and/or accomplish.


Have a great day.

Mr_Mustache said:

Thats the nunchuk being shaken. What is the WiiRemote (one that usually need Wii Motion+ inside of it on the Wii U..you know, for excessive, accurate movement) doing? Just sitting there?

Really? You thought the Wiimote was being shaken to *unload* Pikmin at the same time as you *aim* Pikmin? Forgive me, but I assumed you would have seen the obvious problem with that setup. Clearly I gave you too much credit. Which is why I was focusing on discussing the issues you actually raised:


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

So then you have to hold something in each hand, and then use ANOTHER controller, too? How is that better??

Apparent misconception: That you think you have to juggle Nunchuck, Wiimote and Tablet all at once.
My attempt at informing you otherwise: You hold the Wiichuck, and PAUSE to use the tablet when needed.


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

I don't want to flick my wrist constantly. No thank you.

Apparent misconception: That you have to flick your wrist constantly (Note that you never explain why.)
My attempt at informing you otherwise: Pointing out that the only wrist flicking AT ALL is using the Nunchuck to dismiss Pikmin.


Misinformed assumptions: Mr_Mustache said:

'Or you can tap tap tap A. I'd rather do that then shake the nunchuck for 15 seconds or whatever. How do you unload 60 guys at once?'

'And "a little shake sometimes;" although I haven't experienced it myself, I feel that is probably a tad misrepresentative'

Apparent misconception- That you have to keep shaking the Nunchuck ..
Attempt at informing you otherwise- Okay no attempt. Because I already explained that you give the nunchuck a quick shake to get rid of all your guys. At this point I incredulously question this 15 second figure you've pulled from nowhere. And I realise that trying to explain things to you is kind of pointless because you're ignoring what I'm saying, and simply substituting your own assumptions. Which is ridiculous because I've used the controls and you haven't. So I just suggest you use the controls yourself- A fair suggestion, and one any reasonable individual would take on board if they were truly interested in learning how it worked.


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

I'm picturing something INCREDIBLY cumbersome.

Apparent Misconception: Incredibly Cumbersome.
My attempt at informing you otherwise: See your first assumption at the top of this post.


At this point its clear that you're ignoring everything I say, and the thread descends into petty bickering. Strangely enough, nowhere amongst it do you state your assumption that you toss Pikmin individually by shaking the Wiimote. Kudos to Jargon for figuring that out.


As for what I'm trying to 'accomplish', it's all part of my never-ending (and apparently futile) quest to encourage you to actually go beyond your preconceived notions and learn about the things you're arguing about. That way you won't end up 'vehemently disagreeing' about something you've "never used" and know nothing about, and we all avoid arguments like these.


And that's my advice to you. Feel free to ignore it as always.

@Shadowlink

TL, DR

GOD, shut the hell up.

It sounds like the waggle is nothing more than in, say, Resident Evil 4, where you use the waggle to reload (though I'm not sure how often you have to unload your Pikmin). From the outsider looking in, I'd at least think that the IR aiming might be convenient enough to take a shot at it. I didn't like the waggle to reload in RE4 but the rest of the controls were awesome so it didn't really matter.

@PogueSquadron

If you're responding to me (at all), I played Resident Evil 4 on GameCube.

Can anyone else confirm whether or not there's some way to swarm enemies other than lock on and shake the chuck? I've seen multiple people claim that the waggle is only used to dismiss Pikmin, however I don't believe this is true, unless there is another way to swarm.

@anon_mastermind

That's how you swarm, yes. But I don't see a problem with it, personally. A quick jerk of the nunchuck works well.

@anon_mastermind

On the GamePad, I like to stand next to enemies, and dismiss them, and they go for it. So yeah, I guess that is the exact same thing.. I'm definitely missing the C-Stick control that we had with the GameCube games. That was my bread and butter! Now it makes us ROLL TIDE.

Guillaume said:

@anon_mastermind

That's how you swarm, yes. But I don't see a problem with it, personally. A quick jerk of the nunchuck works well.

I got quite irritated with it, basically the only sour spot on the game IMO. I wish they had mapped it to up on the dpad or the C button. But it was worth dealing with to have the wiimote pointer controls.

@Mr_Mustache
I miss the C-stick too, I think in theory the lock on works but in practice it's prone to error.

@anon_mastermind

I don't know why they didn't make the Right Analog stick do EXACTLY what the C-Stick did on the GameCube. That was what I used for evasive maneuvers over there to begin with; it's like they've taken a piece of it away from me.

Mr_Mustache said:

@Shadowlink

TL, DR

GOD, shut the hell up.

Same advice goes for you next time you decide to start shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about.

@Mr_Mustache & @Shadowlink

An agreement. Wonderful. Lets move forward. There are far better things and points of view yet to be discussed.

In general, when does anyone thing we will see a Pikmin 4? Think its possible in the Wii U lifespan?

@DrFinkelstein

Could be. The basic assets are already there, so that would save them some time. Like Pikmin 1->Pikmin 2.

I wouldn't be suprised if they expand the mission mode somewhat, that seems to be what people are really getting into.


BTW does anyone know if there are leaderboards for your friends list? I only see the global stats.