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Do sequels retroactively make some games age worse? [roundtable]
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As I was considering my collections for various Nintendo consoles due to the recent Survivor Polls, I remembered an odd dilemma I have with Mario Kart: I always rate them highly, but I rarely replay one over a generation old (outside of the first on occasion). The reason is because there've been so many MK games and almost all of them have simply built on what the previous ones offered, sometimes even including previous tracks for good measure. By contrast, I also recently replayed Majora's Mask so that Sarah could experience it, and it still holds up as a sequel that's unique enough to not be a detriment to Ocarina of Time (despite the similar visuals). Do you guys ever feel that "safe sequels" like Mario Kart or NSMB end up kind of hurting the replay value of older games in the series (older NSMB games in that series' case, not necessarily the original Mario platformers)? Fire Emblem Fates would be another example--I've thought Awakening was terrific ever since its release, but just the existence of Fates makes Awakening feel a lot less special, solely because there are now 2 (or 4) games all in that style. Do you have this same issue, or is it just me? What games in your collection do you rarely touch since there are just better, later versions? What do you think is the best way to handle sequels? URL to share (right click and copy)
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05/02/16, 18:50 |
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I wouldn't say that samey sequels affect the original game(s) for me, but they do make the new ones feel less special. However, I've never cared too much about sequels being similar, and of course there should be at least some things that are similar in sequels as that's the point of sequels is to offer more of what made the first one good. I don't find NSMBU to be anything special, despite it being the best of the NSMB series, and can still go back and have some fun with NSMB on the DS. Mario games have always been about strong level design anyway and all the games still offer that.
In the case of multiplayer games, they usually do change a few things about the gameplay/formula and so it'll depend on if I like those changes. In the case of Mario Kart, I don't like the controls and item physics in MK VIII, and so I'd rather play MK 7. Before it lost its wi-fi, I preferred Mario Kart Wii, and still bust it out for local play. Smash Bros. is similar, the original N64 game still has the gameplay I most prefer. |
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@GuillaumeThat's probably a good way to look at it. It's all relative. I mean, the original game hasn't changed at all, so it can't (in an absolute sense) magically become worse. It is what it is. If you start looking at things with a sequel as the 'new' benchmark, of course it's entirely possible that it may seem 'worse' in comparison. But in and of itself? I wouldn't think so. That's probably where @New Forms thoughts on nostalgia come into play as well. If you didn't play it originally and are used the bar being set higher from games further down the track, then your thoughts may be less positively disposed to the earlier titles. That being said there are exceptions to every rule. Like New Forms, I think Doom is still pretty awesome and way more fun than most modern shooters. And any COD loving teenagers who think otherwise are idiots and wrong  . |
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Hmm. I think that they do make the previous games archaic or outdated, at times. For multiplayer games, I'd actually WANT them to, so I could just play the more convenient recent version. I mean, I used to loooove Super Mario Kart, but it's pretty hard to go back and play. Mostly because of the controls, though. And I might be able to become reaccustomed to them. I dunno. On the other hand, Battle Mode in recent, non-portable Mario Karts is hot garbage. So Super Mario Kart still has its place. Then again, Mario Kart 64 pretty much took the Battle Mode crown. In conclusion, I don't know. But it does bother me when a new game comes out that makes the old one obsolete... when I haven't even played my copy of the old one! Fire Emblem is a weird case. I've never played more than a couple of hours of any of the games. I feel like I should really start with the Shadow and Light game on DS, since it's a remake of the very first FE. But people always say that it's the worst game. What am I supposed to do, just throw it away? @ZeroI feel like the original Smash Bros. still feels pretty different from any of the sequels. What few characters there are really pack a wallop in that game. |
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