I loved this game. I did not like Fog of War, though. But otherwise I loved it. So much fun.

I mean technically I could VERY EASILY go into the database and assign this thread to me. ANYWAY.

One of the best games ever. So addictive. Simple yet deep. A long campaign and a ton of bonus stages. TONS OF UNITS and for the most part, they all have a point. Build your own maps! Etc.

Zero said:

A long campaign and a ton of bonus stages. TONS OF UNITS and for the most part, they all have a point.

22 vs. 30

18 total vs. 17 families of classes

Yeah, this is a good one for sure. Really fun, balanced gameplay that doesn't get old.

Made even better with the battlefield romances!

@Zero
Where's your Andy icon anyway?? I've been looking at that skeleton guy forever!

@Mr_Mustache Yeah but you're ignoring this part...

Zero said:

and for the most part, they all have a point.

@TriforceBun What are you talking about?!

@Zero

Also the stage count is inaccurate. The 22 campaign stages are actually 34. Remember, the campaign splits at multiple points depending on the CO chosen, thus giving you access to entirely different missions.

So 34 vs 30. And that's *still* not including the 'bonus' stages you mentioned (the War Room challenge maps?) That's another 20 right there.

@Zero

Every unit in Ogre Battle has a point. Ugh.

You don't even have a right to talk down on Ogre Battle; I played ALL of Advance Wars, unlike you with Ogre Battle. And through magic of THE INTERNET, we know exactly just how long you played. Sad sad sad.

I've played two of the Ogre Battles, how many others are there?!

I don't actually dislike them, I just don't particularly like them either.

@Zero

Which two? I've also played two so I don't know what else you're talking about. Tactics??

It bummed me out how you just kinda gave up on it. I'm pretty sure you didn't give up on Advance Wars when you were in the 6th stage and didn't have planes yet. "Only Infantry? This succccks. Where are the Bombers? *QUIT*" (And it wasn't just you; a LOT of people threw in the towel early. WAYYY too early. Did you guys even get to Class Changes??)

The thing that puts Ogre Battle MUCH closer to Fire Emblem for me as well? A feeling that you're 'building' something with your army. Your team as a whole gets stronger and stronger every stage, and I guess you can say that too..but your units are nameless, expendable, replaceable. When you get to the end of Ogre Battle, and Warren (who you meet in the Tutorial) is now an Undead Lich casting Magic: ALL 3 times in a single fight? Its almost the same as when Ike is finally facing The Black Knight, and he can not only hold his own, but achieve victory, and why permadeath is such a threat. Theres permadeath in Advance Wars, too, but who freakin' cares? Replace it. "Oh, Frodo died? Just have another turd carry it."

Charisma from leaders allows other characters in each unit to fight better (and when the CHA drops, so does their effectiveness as a unit), similar to the way that Supports work in Fire Emblem. You don't get that stuff from "oh well, just buy another one" characters in Advance Wars. And the Class Changes, obviously. Both games focus so much around the EXCITEMENT of the Class Change. New abilities, cool new look, super strength(s)? Sooo tasty.


--Just went back to the Ogre Battle thread. It looked like you were giving it the 'ol College Try for a while. Not sure what happened. This part was funny:


GameDadGrant said:

Oh man, I don't think this game is for me. I can't even get past Scene 2. It's like, I liberate a temple, and then some super-speedy bad-guy flies across the map to the north and takes over my stronghold, and I fail the mission.

I don't know how to stop him, and I've gotten a 'Game Over' about 7 times in a row now. It's getting frustrating and annoying, and I'm not sure my tolerance for this game is going to remain much longer.

Mr_Mustache said:

@GameDadGrant

Are you...deploying other units?

GameDadGrant said:

@Mr_Mustache

Oh! You can deploy more than one group at a time!

That might help me. Thanks, I'll give it a shot!

Zero said:

Wait, Grant was trying to beat the entire game with one unit? That's hilarious.

@Mr_Mustache

We don't talk about that incident anymore.

@GameDadGrant

That whole thread is full of the saddest of times. I just read it for..egad, almost an hour? Just people..complaining about something, "why can't X?" and then I'm like "you CAN X, just Y." Nearly every problem that someone had with the game there was a direct solution that they either didn't know about, or missed out on or something. The game isn't THAT much of a dick, geez. Haha, in response to this 'incident,' I said "didn't you read what I wrote?" And you replied "I don't read, I am read to." Ah..

I still wish everyone got to do it to it. Gojira put a hurting on it, and Koovaps and Dark Weres put a pretty good dent in there, too. Only Team Mustache went the distance though (I have no idea how any of you guys will be able to stick with / fight through Ogre Battle 64, on your own or in an EC..)

@Mr_Mustache Yeah but Advance Wars instantly hooked me, Ogre Battle didn't. The two I played were the SNES one for game club and the N64 one way back when it came out. I gave both a real shot but they just didn't do it for me. It's not like I go out of my way to be disappointed with games I spend my hard earned money on.

I'm decently far in 64 but what I'm hoping for is a 3DS VC release of the SNES game.

@Zero

Have you tried the Tactics Ogre games? Those are really good! Especially if you like games like Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy Tactics.

Ogre Battle is a different beast.

I don't remember this game having ogres.

@Zero

Advance Wars has a guy named Andy. I believe thats all it took.

@Mop it up

Thank you, Mop it up. *thumbs up*

@Mop it up

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Advance Wars on GBA is arguably the best game on the system. In fact, I think it is, and one of the best strategy games ever.

@WrathOfSamus777

You could make a strong argument for that.

GBA is full of stone-cold classics, though. Castlevania comes to mind instantly, for example. Mega Man Zero as well. Two of my favorite series on the system, bar none!

Of course, none of those match the strategy gameplay of Advance Wars. Few games do. It really is a fantastically well-made game!

@WrathOfSamus777
@GameDadGrant

..And about as deep as a can of tuna.