Het_Nkik said:

Because she stopped taking her meds.

I will accept this to be the canon explanation.

grantimusprime said:

I do think there were a couple of plot holes though. First... she just dropped the idea of "The Deleter." I guess it's because it was really M.B., and not a Galactic soldier... but then what about the guy in the giant robot? Didn't make much sense.

See, I was a little confused by this at first as well, but the I watched the Metroid: Other M "movie" (which is just terrible, btw), and it became apparent there was a deleter. It was the dude that MB killed in that computer room where she explains everything to you. He came to kill her just like he killed all the other soldiers (those cutscenes weren't there for nothing) but she killed him first. Can't remember which guy it was, though. So yeah, totally was a soldier traitor deleter guy. Actually, may have even been Adam that killed him, now that I think about it. There are a few more cutscenes in the post-game.

grantimusprime said:

Then, Adam's departure. He says plain as day that only a giant explosion could neutralize the threat found in Sector Zero... why not just "authorize" Samus' power bombs then and save your own ass? I know he had to die, it's a big part of Fusion, but they could have figured out a better way.

He says if Sector Zero is critically damaged, it will detach and self-destruct as a safety protocol. Which it does. So no matter what it would be a suicide mission. If Samus went in there and laid a power bomb it would detach and self-destruct and kill her instead. But he wanted to keep her alive, because he knows she's a lot more important to the universe than he is.

grantimusprime said:

One last bitch about plot holes. They try, and in my opinion fail, to explain how a little harmless bunny-looking thing somehow became Ridley. And then when you see Ridley dead... it looks just the same as all the other times Ridley "hatched" from another creature's body. Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno.

I have no idea what you mean by "'hatched' from another creature's body." Those were all Ridley's bodies. He was just going through life stages similar to an insect. And he doesn't look the same when he's dead at the as he does when Samus finds his discarded shells. When she finds the moogle/chocobo (I call it a moogobo) shell, it looks the same as if it were alive, but with no eyes and its back split open. Ridley's lizard shell she find may be gray (can't remember), but it still has that giant split in it. Dead Ridley at the end is all gray ('cause he was Metroidified) and isn't split open in any way. And at least we now know how a frozen Ridley ends up in Metroid Fusion, what with the Galactic Federation's presence at the end.

Hope that clears some stuff up!

HOWEVER, I have a plot hole complaint. Well, not even sure if it's a "plot" hole, but it definitely doesn't make sense.

Ridley, even in his moogobo form, and DEFINITELY in his lizard form, seems to recognize Samus. (I mean, he starts climbing the building where he sees her even though he's fighting like 3 or 4 soldiers.) I don't know how that would even be possible. In the slightest. Because cloning from DNA scraped off a power suit wouldn't transfer his memories of everything that transpired prior to him dying. Can't store memory in DNA FUCK YOU ASSASSIN'S CREED IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

But, maybe I'm just crazy and he doesn't recognize her and he's just a dick who likes to attack orange suited space heroines regardless of past memories.

@Het_Nkik
The exact same thing happened in Alien Resurrection whether or not it makes sense, just letting you know. Ripley 8 had "inherited memories passed down generationally by the Aliens".

Your explanation regarding Grantimus' "plotholes" are all correct though.

Haven't had much time to play lately, but I did play a bit more, and this game is fucking badass. I'm not sure if it's a Metroid game, but whatever it is is very cool, and I probably prefer it to Prime.

You know, I'd almost consider Other M to be a brand-new 'core' IP from Nintendo. I hope they pursue this (linear) path a bit more, and I hope they also apply the same level of craziness to all of their franchises.

Might just be an instinctive thing. He could've realized that there was something different and powerful about Samus.

anandxxx said:

and I probably prefer it to Prime.

Go ahead and ban yourself, I'm too lazy.

Het_Nkik said:

Can't store memory in DNA FUCK YOU ASSASSIN'S CREED IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

Tell that to the Bene Gesserit.

@Zero
Will do...

I thought about it for a while, actually. Do I really prefer Other M? Does that preference mean that I only care about the action of the series, rather than the exploration? But I don't think it's that simple. Finding items in Prime was not very satisfying to me. The puzzles in Other M have been very simple, so far, but also somehow satisfying. Not just, like, "This rock is made from Vulnerabilium. Shoot it with a missile to reveal something."

That's probably reductive, and I need to think about it more, but, yeah... I'm reminded of my hatred of scanning. It really did kind of ruin that game for me. The art style might be more important that I thought, also.

I want another Project M game which is an even greater blend of Old Metroids and Other M. I'd love more (optional) scanning to learn about the world as well as more exploration and an even bigger world. They just now need to create the perfect marriage.

carlosrox said:

I want another Project M game which is an even greater blend of Old Metroids and Other M. I'd love more (optional) scanning to learn about the world as well as more exploration and an even bigger world. They just now need to create the perfect marriage.

I'd love too a perfect mix between Other M and Prime Trilogy. Being able to scan, move in FPS or TPS (you choose), a biggest world, one or many strange alien planet (and why not a human colony being wiped out ?). Or maybe... maybe Nintendo could make another Metroid... with... well, no Metroids at all.

They did it with Zelda: Link's Awakening on GB, the first Zelda... without ZELDA and Ganon/Ganondork ! (and Link's Awakening is a masterpiece for me, a perfect game).

Of course, players would say "Meh, why is it named Metroid ?!". Why not "Samus ", just like "Zelda 2: Adventures of Link".

That's not the perfect marriage.

Other M has a really fast, propulsive feel, like Fusion. Whatever you think of the mechanic, scanning would be totally at odds with that. A lot of people take issue with the detective bits in Other M for similar reasons.

@Simbabbad
Yeah, I mean, you could also tell with the big, obvious visual clues. Other M has some, too, but they still feel a bit more cleverly concealed than those of Prime, whether because of the restricted viewpoint, or whatever. Translating the 'bomb every corner/whip every wall' mechanic of many secret-packed 2D games into 3D is kind of a tricky endeavor. Hell, Nintendo seldom even makes 2D games without obvious visual clues (like decrepit-looking walls). I was pretty happy that some of the bombable walls in Phantom Hourglass were unmarked.

Hope to be playing this game in a couple of days. My wife got me a new Wii for my 45th...sure, the kids suggested it because they wanted to play the Wii again after leaving it on for about 2 weeks and noticing that it didn't work anymore.

Still, it was a great surprise. Nice black one too...just like mine!

@anandxxx
No way cuz I explored Other M at a very slow pace (MY pace, bitch!!) and was pointing the remote at the screen every few seconds while playing. Plus, as I said, it could be an option for those who want to know more about the world. So many times I wanted info on a certain structure, creature, mechanism, etc and it wouldn't let me THAT'S when I missed Prime. Like I said, it can be totally optional, it would be just to get a deeper insight into the world (well hey the Prime Trilogy did that anyway!).

@anandxxx I know many people hate on them but I think Phantom Hourglass and even moreso Spirit Tracks are pretty brilliant when it comes to how they mixed the puzzles into the game worlds. They're still Zelda IE not totally integrated, but they're not all BOMB CRACK IN WALL either.

Ok I avoided this thread like the a spoiler-ridden plague for the past two weeks whilst I beat the game. Now I've just spent a couple of hours reading through the whole thing, it's interesting to see the various reactions. Most of my thoughts have already been covered by most everyone here, but I'll throw up my main points anyway:

Controls: They definetly could have been done better if the Nunchuck had been used. It seems to me like they shoehorned everything into the Wiimote for the hell of it. Maybe that whole "simplicity" kick Nintendo's been on this gen?
Things I would have liked: Analogue movement, missiles on a seperate button and usable in Third Person, and perhaps the melee attacks mapped out too so you could trigger them at will instead of the arbitrary way it seemed to happen.

People may say that this might break the game as it was designed, and perhaps that's true. However one of the things I liked about the game was the sense of speed and agility that the third-person based combat gave Samus compared to the Prime games. The (at times) clunkyness of controls interfered with that feeling somewhat. So did those terrible over-the-shoulder sections.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate!": The handful of points in the game where you're just expected to know stuff the game ought to explain (or hint at) better. The first usage of the Power Bombs, the final "cutscene" battle, the first-person variant of the sense dodge....I don't know if this weas done on purpose or what, but it seemed like sloppy design to me.

Rechargable health/missiles & lack of traditional pickups: Ugh. Does anyone honestly think this was a good idea?

Upgrades: Sorry, that was retarded. Here I am slowly frying to death in Sector 3 and I can't activate the Varia suit until I get permission? No. Just no. I can understand some sort of rational for the restriction of the really powerful weapons, but the passive abilities? Fuck off Adam. I've seen some contrived stuff in my time as a gamer but this was absolutely terrible.

(and on that note-
TriforceBun said:

I made a new comic about this game.

Brilliant :P)

Despite all my complaints though, I did end up enjoying the game more towards the end than when I started. I'd probably rate it about a 7, It's no Prime or Zero Mission, but it was pretty good for what it did. Kudos to Nintendo/ Team Ninja for trying a new style, with a few tweaks to the design they could do an amazing sequel.

Shadowlink said:

The handful of points in the game where you're just expected to know stuff the game ought to explain (or hint at) better. The first usage of the Power Bombs

I thought that part was brilliant, I really liked it. It's like, you're so used to being told what you can't and can't use. This is the point at which you, the player, have to break free of this artificial constraint.

I agree about the authorization thing being dopey in general, with the exception of the Power Bombs. What I like about that moment is that you already know how to use them, you've been taught to charge while in Morph Ball form, and even after Adam's death, you're wondering when you'll be able to activate them. The whole game, Power Bombs keep getting brought up as extremely dangerous--the game pretty much hammers this idea into your head. So at the end, when the Queen swallows Samus, I thought it was a cool touch that you've got a few moments to realize, "Hey, NOW IS THE TIME" and let her have it. Especially if you did the same thing in Metroid II.

@Zero
Yeah, I think the puzzles have been great since Twilight Princess. Wind Waker was very unimaginative, from a puzzle perspective.

@Shadowlink
I really do think that Other M's crispness and speed would be very difficult to replicate without digital controls. It could be just as fast, but it would probably feel much looser.

@TriforceBun
Pssh, I already said all that.