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The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks on the DS
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11/28/24, 21:30  
 
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I'm 2+ hours into replaying this and have experienced approximately zero interesting gameplay up through the first dungeon. Lots of blowing, though. And here I thought I'd discreetly play a handheld game to not wake up my napping girlfriend...!

This old thread has convinced me to not drop the game quite yet, but it's on thin ice, bro! So much dialogue, so much waiting on the train, so many extraneous systems and "minigames" and plot-driven fetch quests. In hindsight, Skyward Sword gets way too much hate, because everything it did wrong, other Zeldas did wrong first.

Spirit Tracks also seems to have this obsession with recreating the surface-level details of Phantom Hourglass without putting much thought into why they were good in the first place. There's a central dungeon you return to, but without revisiting previous floors, there's no sense of unraveling a larger mystery, there's no mastery there. You still control your vehicle by drawing on the overworld map, but tracing pre-existing lines isn't the same as charting your own course, and the path you draw is arbitrary anyway because you can always switch tracks, and often need to!

I'm not impressed so far, but I'm holding out hope that these GOAT-tier puzzles come into play soon...!
11/28/24, 21:34   
Edited: 11/28/24, 21:41
Spirit Tracks is an odd game in that the big train gimmick at the center of it is the worst part.

Dungeons are great though!
11/29/24, 06:10   
This is my least favourite Zelda, but even the worst Zelda is a great game. Good dungeons, some cool environments. Impressive how well the game controls, too.
11/29/24, 21:01   
I just got to the third dungeon, and this game feels like a team of interns got to make their first game using the Phantom Hourglass engine—and then they got promoted and made Skyward Sword.

I'll give this next dungeon a whirl, but I'm no longer convinced that there's any real mindblowing take on "find the line that you need to draw on your map" coming down the pipe. Makes me wish I was playing The Witness.

Worst Zelda game ever? Maybe. I'd rather have a buffalo take a diarrhea dump in my ear!
11/30/24, 09:40   
I posted my thoughts on this one in the 2016 Backlaugust thread, which I will repost here for your convenience:

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I've conquered my first Backlaugust game: The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks!

Okay, so time for my full thoughts. Big ST fans may want to skip ahead to the next post, but there were a few pleasant surprises near the end that I'd like to mention.

First and foremost though, I wasn't thrilled with this one overall. The three core facets of gameplay--on train, on foot (solo), and on foot (escort)--were all flawed in their own ways. The train was far too slow and linear for me; I skipped nearly all of the sidequests because I didn't feel like traveling much. Worrying about the one-shot bomb trains became tiresome after a while, and the fact that you see all your locales on the map really kills the exploration. To make matters worse, the teleportation system is needlessly convoluted and extremely limiting, feeling most similar to the very first game's Power Bracelet than any sort of modern (LttP onward) warp system. It'd be nice if the train upgrades were actually upgrades, instead of aesthetic tweaks.

The on-foot Link-only adventuring was probably the strongest aspect, feeling much like Phantom Hourglass and containing some decent puzzles and boss fights in its own right (I was partial to the Fire Temple and Sand Temple bosses in particular). But the stylus controls were, in retrospect, a mistake. Link just isn't that fun to control in this game, and only a couple of the items really benefit from it. The downside is that there were plenty of times where I'd walk off an edge or slash a bomb I wanted to pick up or rolled into an enemy instead of jump-attacking it, etc. And the item selection/usage was ridiculously clunky, to the point where using each item was crazy stop-and-go and unpleasant. You can't just run towards an enemy and smack it with the boomerang while approaching, you've got to stop, poke the thing, draw the line, and then approach. Everything feels staccato. Also, the Spirit Flute was really flawed in registering one's toots--thankfully it's not used THAT much in the game.

The escort missions were the worst part. Take the control issues with controlling Link and multiply them all by 10. The Spirit Tower got me steamed up near the last couple sections due to how frustrating and finicky everything was. Like the item-switching, everything felt really stop-and-go for an engine that wasn't really built around it, and the pacing was slow and tedious as a result. This might've worked in a sort of methodical way if the controls were better, but there were countless times where Link or Phantom Zelda just wouldn't do what I wanted them to. Like Link would jump off Zelda's shield into the lava, or Zelda would get stuck behind a wall due to lousy pathfinding, etc. I think these were the worst segments in any official Zelda game, in fact, topping its older brother's Temple of the Ocean King in annoyingness. At least that one had you only controlling one character with unreliable controls!

Lastly, the graphics were kind of crummy. The art during the credits was beautiful and made me long for a game that looked more like that; a 2D game with higher-resolution sprites would've been most welcome, especially using the TWW art style. But with the DS's rudimentary polygonal models, there was a ton of aliasing and chunky-looking characters, plus the environments really lacked charm with their angular, inorganic designs. Everything was so blocky and unappealing, just like in Phantom Hourglass.

Okay, enough negativity. Stuff I liked include the soundtrack, which really had some great moments (ST's overworld is a top 20 Zelda song for sure) and was a clear improvement over its predecessor. There was a decent amount of stuff to shoot at and interact with in the train segments, and I kinda liked the "follow the sign" mechanics when ferrying a passenger. Some of the items were kind of cool, like the whip and the Sand Rod (which made solid use of the touch screen). The underwater section near the middle of the game was equal parts cool and whimsical and exactly the kind of thing I like to see from this series.

ENDING SPOILERS AHEAD, ALL ABOARD. The ending sequence took me by surprise. Even though I died 7 or 8 times during the Tears of Light train bit near the end, they all felt exactly like my fault. The new mechanics of boosting with the whistle mixed with the fast-paced Pac-Man action was surprisingly fun, and I really regret that they didn't use this idea sooner in the game, because it showcased the potential of the train stuff nicely. The ending sequences as a whole were all very good, actually, bringing together a lot of ideas into a cohesive whole. I even liked the two-character stuff at the end! And I also found the last hour surprisingly endearing, with Zelda embracing Link after getting her body back (awwww), and the two of them clasping hands, hinting at a bright future (awwww). Bryne ended up being a pretty cool character too, although it felt like a cheat having Anjean just sort of drop that he's not REALLY dead. Why not just have him make that sacrifice and then confirm that his spirit can move on or whatever? They tried to have their cake and eat it too, possibly because they thought it was too dark otherwise? I dunno, TWW had the guts to have a death at the end and it worked well.

Also, possessed Zelda was terrifying. Great work to whoever designed that, good heavens.

So the last sections helped save this game from a dreaded sub-7 score, but I'd be lying if I said I'm looking forward to replaying this in the future. There was just too much frustration, too much sluggishness and downtime throughout the whole game to really feel great about it overall. I'd have to overall give it about a 7/10 and say it's the weakest in the official series.

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In short, my least-favorite Zelda. Not awful, but frustrating in a way that first-party Nintendo games rarely are. I did like several things about the game's end sequence.
11/30/24, 18:18   
Edited: 11/30/24, 18:19
I just completed the third dungeon, and every "puzzle" is still just writing down some information, slogging over to some other location, and then inputting that information. I'm dropping this before it tarnishes my feelings for Phantom Hourglass.
12/01/24, 00:16   
Secret_Tunnel said:
I'm dropping this before it tarnishes my feelings for Phantom Hourglass.



Too many people lump PH with ST. And they shouldn't. PH is an amazing game and arguably the best title on the DS.

Spirit Tracks is trash.
12/01/24, 07:31   
@Shadowlink

I've read through your Double Serve Zelda Playthrough thread from 2016 a couple times this year now, and yeah, you really nailed it back then. I didn't quite end up letting the flute recitals be my breaking point, but I thought about it.

I still yearn for the Temple of the Ocean King / Trial of the Sword style mega-dungeons you put in my head..
12/01/24, 08:58   
Shadowlink said:
Too many people lump PH with ST. And they shouldn't.

Agreed. Spirit Tracks is way better.

12/01/24, 20:58   
Edited: 12/01/24, 20:58
I remember enjoying this game the first time I played it. It’s been years since then…I may have to give this another playthrough.

However people feel about the game is fine, but it does have the distinction of being the first steam-punk(ish) Zelda game!

I think, anyway…someone can fact-check me on that.
12/04/24, 02:37   
I also prefer PH to ST. ST might do puzzles and story a little bit better, but the stuck-on-rails exploration and sidequests are such big negatives for me that they negate what ST does better than PH.

That said, I like the things that PH and ST do right about the same amount, so I end up ranking them next to each other even though I don't lump them together.
12/11/24, 21:16   
Edited: 12/11/24, 21:17
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