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Negative World March Madness: Selection Saturday
March 08, 2014, 20:13:23
Hello all! After Survivor Polls have taken the forum by storm, I thought I would switch things up and do something new. Since it's March, why not use a little format everyone knows and see if we can't find a new way to crown a champion of Nintendo games! Yes, it will be Ocarina of Time, but at least there might be some suspense!

Here's how it works: I've divided Nintendo games into eight groups: NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Gameboy/GBA, DS, and 3DS/Wii U. I then seeded each category using Negative World's own ratings. I only included games with at least 25 votes to make sure the most popular are represented (although I included Link Between Worlds as an act of executive discretion). If a game was on multiple systems, I included only the first version unless it was a true remake like Metroid: Zero Mission. The resulting groups are as follows:


1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Super Mario Bros.
3. Mega Man 2
4. The Legend of Zelda
5. Tetris
6. Contra
7. Super Mario Bros. 2
8. Mega Man 3


1. Super Metroid
2. Chrono Trigger
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Final Fantasy 6
5. Super Mario World
6. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
7. Earthbound
8. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest


1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
4. Goldeneye
5. Perfect Dark
6. Star Fox 64
7. Banjo Kazooie
8. Paper Mario


1. Metroid Prime
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. Resident Evil 4
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
6. F-Zero GX
7. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
8. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes


1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Xenoblade Chronicles
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Donkey Kong Country Returns
6. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
7. Monster Hunter Tri
8. Super Smash Bros. Brawl


1. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
2. Pokemon Red/Blue
3. Donkey Kong '94
4. Wario Ware: Mega Microgame$!
5. The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
6. Metroid: Zero Mission
7. Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
8. Metroid Fusion


1. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
3. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Professor Layton and the Curious Village
5. The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
6. Mario Kart DS
7. The World Ends With You
8. The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass

3DS/Wii U

1. Super Mario 3D World
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
3. Super Mario 3D Land
4. Kid Icarus Uprising
5. Mario Kart 7
6. New Super Mario Bros. U
7. Pushmo
8. Nintendo Land

With seeding done, I created four regions and randomly assigned two games from each seed to the regions, so that a random one seed was playing a random eight seed, a random two seed was playing a random seven seed, etc. I used some discretion to rerandomize if I felt that a system or franchise was overly represented in a region, but there is no rhyme or reason to how they are arranged otherwise.

Starting next week we will begin voting region by region for games to advance until we arrive at victory. For now, let's just discuss the seeding, see who got screwed by random chance, what we think might be good upset possibilities, etc. If you don't like anything about how I set it up... too bad!

Special thanks to The Big G for these awesome graphics!

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Posted: 03/08/14, 20:13:23  - Edited by 
 on: 03/09/14, 04:33:45    
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No it's not inaccurate since nothing here says that these are official North American titles, does it? I reserve the right to refer to games however I feel will be most clear. Don't like it? See the above rule.

Who's acting like a 12 year old again?

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:00:47

But who cares, honestly?

If you see FFVI listed above do you really not know what game it is? Is it worth complaining about and campaigning to get it changed? Or are such antics nothing more than annoying pedantry?

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:04:38
I don't really have a horse in this race at all (talking about this conversation), but teeeeeeccccchnically "Final Fantasy 6(SNES)" isn't a game that exists.

And yep I'm kind of just being a nudge here.

Stache is a stickler for this kind of stuff, so no I don't see it as just annoying pedantry. If I'm compiling a database for games that were published on the Super Nintendo, I'd say Final Fantasy 3 as well.

If I'm just talking about the game in general, I say FF6. I do it all the time.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:07:19  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:10:40

It refers to a game that exists which is the only function of the words that I have chosen to use in my tournament. Since not a single person has failed to understand the game to which I am referring, it has performed its function to perfection.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:16:05

I DEMAND the 7th seed in the Viridian City region to be renamed Doki Doki Panic.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:17:40
@PogueSquadron Luigi's Mansion 2 is the game's title in Europe, Japan, Australia.... everywhere but North America, in fact. So it is, indeed, a "real game."

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:19:50

The Final Fantasy III (DS) game isn't on the SNES. By tagging it "Final Fantasy III (SNES)," all of the necessary information to convey the appropriate understanding / response is there.


Super Mario USA is entirely more accurate, honestly. Doki Doki Panic was the source game before they covered 'em up with Mario characters. Its even far more confusing because what we know as Lost Levels is Super Mario Bros. 2 over there.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:22:01
Jargon said:
Jargon said:
If you don't like anything about how I set it up... too bad!

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:29:15  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:29:35
PogueSquadron said:

Stache is a stickler for this kind of stuff, so no I don't see it as just annoying pedantry. If I'm compiling a database for games that were published on the Super Nintendo, I'd say Final Fantasy 3 as well.

'Being a stickler' is just a nicer way of saying 'annoying pedant' IMO.

And if he wants to go make a database or a list of his collection, then that's fine, he can go write FFIII a thousand times to his heart's content. I'm not going to argue with him.

But coming in here whining about how Jargon has it 'wrong' and that it should be changed?Thats just ridiculous.

He can be a stickler/pedant all he likes. That doesn't mean everyone else has to comply.


Does not Final Fantasy VI convey all the required information? Did you really not know what game he was talking about?

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:31:04  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:36:41
I'll have to apologize for being annoying for the sake of being annoying. This whole thing was just driving me crazy.

I just didn't think Stache really did anything wrong here and I didn't think he really deserved to be jumped on or anything. He didn't even sound that mad or anything. It's just a poll after all. Hopefully we can all let this go and get going on with the voting.

(And usually, I do call it FF6, for the record. I just don't think there's anything wrong with labeling it FF3. Both have their merits on a poll like this).

Awesome game no matter what we call it.

edit: I didn't really see his posts as whining. He said poop sandwich for crying out loud, he couldn't have been that mad about it.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:36:00  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:38:24

If this was an isolated incident I might have agreed with you, but this is far from the first time where he's given people grief for not abiding by his personal standards.

I'm tired of it, and am going to point out the silliness everytime it happens.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:42:34  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:43:13

Apology accepted.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 01:44:03
I'm just saying, if someone were to say FF6, I would assume they were NOT referring to the SNES version. It's like telling someone you played the PAL version of Starfox 64. Most people would get what you were saying, but it's technically incorrect and looks odd.

And I wouldn't say Stache is a pedant, I don't think his intention is to show off. He's just an eccentric guy and I feel bad seeing bad blood brew between members of our community.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 04:39:52  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 04:43:45
Shoot, after all this, FF3 better take home the friggin' gold!

I mean FF6.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 04:41:40
Can I go on record as saying that either way someone says Final Fantasy III / VI works for me? As long as I know what they're talking about.

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 05:08:11

Where are your complaints about the fact that I refer to Donkey Kong '94 even though no Gameboy game has that title? People use the title Donkey Kong '94 because there are two completely different games called Donkey Kong. Similarly there are two completely different games released in the US called Final Fantasy 3. If people confuse those two games, it is much more likely to mess up the results of the tournament than if they confuse the SNES version with the GBA version of essentially the same game. That's why I chose to refer to the game as I did. Could I have referred to it otherwise? Sure, TriforceBun referred to it as FF3 in his Survivor poll and not a single shit was given, which tells me something about you and the other FF3 zealots. But I chose the way I did, which brings us back to one of the few rules of this tournament:

Jargon said:
Jargon said:
If you don't like anything about how I set it up... too bad!

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 13:36:40  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 13:43:32
Jargon said:
Sure, TriforceBun referred to it as FF3 in his Survivor poll and not a single shit was given,
I think the difference there is that his poll was about the SNES, so it made sense. Since this feature isn't about any specific system, it probably makes more sense to use FFVI.

Or maybe Final Fantasy III '94. Joking!

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 20:57:27
@Mop it up

Or we could call Final Fantasy VI Advance Final Fantasy III '07 instead. Or Final Fantasy III DS Final Fantasy III (the not as good as the other Final Fantasy III edition).

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 21:37:12
I actually didn't know that the VC still refers to it as Final Fantasy III until last night. I thought they changed it. Huh..


I thought the game title was Donkey Kong '94.. It's not??

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 23:09:12
It's just "Donkey Kong," which is kind of confusing. Similar to how Wario Land on the VB is just called "Wario Land" (and on a related note, Mario Tennis for the VB and N64 both share the same name).

Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 23:32:22
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