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Regarding sequels and threequels on WiiU (Batman, ME3, Darksiders 2, AC3) [roundtable]
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I wanted to talk specifically about the following games: Batman Arkham City: Armored Edition Assassin's Creed 3 Darksiders 2 Mass Effect 3 I will say flat out that I do think it's awesome that a Nintendo console is getting the above franchises. I'm sure that Batman will have the most appeal, because there has to be some Wii only owners that love Batman, but never got to play Arkham City. Despite its brutality, I'm sure it could even be a big hit for the younger crowd and families, simply because it's Batman. I could personally see myself checking out Assassin's Creed 3 or Darksiders 2, pending controller usage. AC3 seems to be playing it simple, so it could be cool to experience that on the WiiU. That game looks cool enough that I'm considering checking out AC1 and 2 in preparation. I'm kind of stuck with ME3 on PC having already played the other games on there. 1.) Do you think that these games are coming to WiiU in a smart way? And I don't mean in terms of Gamepad usage (though I think Batman looks like a mess). It would take a lot of effort, but would it be smart for developers to maybe port earlier games in the franchise, and just push back the release of some of these games? Maybe Bioware could do a "Mass Effect Trilogy," or possibly release each game at a discounted price? Would it even be worth Bioware's time to do something like that? What about an Assassin's Creed Collection? An Arkham Aslyum "dynamic duo" pack? It's not uncommon for consoles to get rereleases like this, as we've seen things like Metal Gear Solid, Metroid Prime, God of War, and others get "collected rereleases." Would it be smarter for developers to get Nintendo gamers started off the right way, or is it not worth the time and money? 2.) Is anyone here looking forward to these games on the WiiU? I know Stache might be interested in Batman, seeing as he's strictly a Nintendo gamer. Is anyone else in that same boat? And if you ARE, do those titles appeal to you? Or are you turned off because you haven't played the other games in the series? I know each of these titles is a different situation (seeing as both Batman and ME3 are older games, while AC3 and Darksiders will be on the newer side), but I'm curious about their appeal. I don't think NW will be a reflection of the market out there, but do you think these games have a chance to sell a good amount of copies? Or are they destined for failure? Will they get lost in the shuffle, or will they stand out because of brand awareness? One thing is for sure, is that I think these titles stand the best chance at launch. Not just because they're older games, but because as time goes on, people will settle in to the choices they make for each console. With the Wii, I think it became pretty obvious as to which games started selling better. At launch, I think people will be more of the mindset of "I just got this console, and I want to get some games to play on it and show other people." Developers and publishers have the chance to right some wrongs made with the Wii - by showing gamers that a Nintendo console can be home to some 'epic' core gamer experiences. Anywho, what are your guys' thoughts on them in general? URL to share (right click and copy)
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06/09/12, 09:02 Edited: 06/09/12, 09:08
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@warerareWell, I was never a Resident Evil fan, but I did check out what-you-guys-call-ReMake on Gamecube (one of my friends then brought over his Playstation an the super-scary original Resident Evil. What is scarier? Is it the slow, plodding zombies that you can see coming from far away or the radioactively bright blue carpeting?), and I picked up Resident Evil 4, too. Batman is Batman. I like that guy. I read a bunch of Batman comics. I have some other Batman games. I probably won't touch Mass Effect, or Ninja Gaiden 3; Assassin's Creed has the best bet out of the others, I think, simply because its LAUNCHING now. I probably won't get it though. Ever. I liked the Final Fantasy series. I don't know how awesome II ("IV") and III ("VI") can totally tear it up on SNES, and then they're like "oh, right.. We're never releasing a true Final Fantasy on Nintendo again, Chocobums!" Gee, thanks guys. There are PLENTY of other franchises that I'd like on Nintendo, but not nearly enough for me to buy a console, even if there are a ton of titles ("that doesn't make any sense!"). I don't have the time, the money, or the willpower to do that. My willpower, however, to abstain from buying another console is unmatched! @AnandNintendo Power included Bully in their "The Should-Haves" section this month, among Punch-Out!!, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and others. I thought that weird. |
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For me, it comes down to a couple of things:
A) How is motion control going to play into it? From the look of things, not at all. That's disappointing to me, as a 360 owner, because that'd be one of the main appeals of seeing a AAA game like Batman on a Nintendo console.
B) How important is the Gamepad control to the overall experience of the game? Does it add real value to the package? Despite my 360, I've never played any of these games. So I'd face a conundrum if I bit on a Wii U and suddenly developed an interest in these titles. They don't look bad, but do they look like a big enough improvement on the originals that it's worth my enthusiasm, the extra wait and the significant extra cost? If we were seeing a flood of these enhanced ports, I might be excited right now. Maybe a few of them would be great, a la RE4:Wii. But of the series that have been announced, only Assassin's Creed 3 and Batman look all that interesting to me. Possibly Darksiders, but I haven't looked too deeply at that. So, at best, that's 3 games. And from what I've seen so far they don't look supremely enhanced by the Gamepad.
So, no, I'm not particularly excited about these sequels on Wii U. I'm still pessimistic about the whole enterprise. Nintendo hasn't demonstrated that third parties are particularly interested in developing for the Wii U. While it's true that we never got a single third party game of the caliber of Assassin's Creed on the Wii (you guys know that's true) I'm not convinced this means developers are taking the new console any more seriously than they took the old one.
Now, to answer your actual questions:
1) As a gamer, I'd prefer a compilation, particularly on Mass Effect. But I don't blame third parties for not putting the resources into that. For the rest, I don't think it's as big of a deal that we're starting on sequels. Lack of available prequels didn't hurt Final Fantasy VII on the PS1.
2) And I guess I answered this above. I don't feel particularly excited about these titles. Last year's sizzle reel made me think we'd have more third party announcements over time. Mass Effect 3 and AC3 are good pick ups, but I'd still say there just plain isn't enough third party support. Yet again.
At this point, I think we have to give up. If you're playing Nintendo consoles, you're playing Nintendo games, for the most part. We can point fingers around and around, but the point still stands. If you want access to the best third party software, you have to buy one of Nintendo's competitor's consoles. I don't see that changing with the Wii U. At least not from the information we currently have available. |
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It's one of those things where I'd have to wait and see how the game(s) fare on Wii U compared to the others.
For example, with all of the games I'm expecting to play this Fall/Winter, I may not get games like Darksiders 2 and Assassin's Creed III on Day 1. So, they may already be out on Wii U by the time I get around to purchasing them. My impulse would be to get the better version between 360 and PS3, but I can also take into account how the Wii U version fares in comparison.
In this situation, I'd almost prefer if the developers did play it safe and simple with respect to the controller. If the Wii U is in fact a more capable system (which seems to be the case, though there's still nothing nailed down as being confirmed), I'd like to see devs try and get more out of the visuals, and use the controller in a logical manner, rather than feeling the need to shoehorn something gimmicky in. You know? If the game doesn't really have an "OMG WE HAVE TO DO THIS" application with the Game Pad, I'd rather they not try to force something. It's kinda like how Wii games where motion didn't really apply had waggle forced in for no real benefit.
For someone like me, who is leaning towards not getting the Wii U on Day 1 but is still interested in AC3 and DS2, I would need to see value in getting the Wii U versions instead. If the consensus is that the Wii U version(s) are the best, I'd have something to think about. When I look at the Wii U launch window, games like NSMB, Pikmin, ZombiU, Rayman...these are probably games that I would check out if I already owned the system, but they aren't something that would get me to go buy a new console right away (this is sort of like the 360 launch; I ended up getting Perfect Dark and Condemned later on, but they were not games I needed on day 1).
Since Assassin's Creed III, for instance, is definitely a game I am getting this Holiday for some system, it's a little different. Hypothetically, if it was a Wii U exclusive, I would get the Wii U at launch. So, there has to be a definite value there for me to say, "The Wii U version is definitely the best way to play it -- I am getting a Wii U at some point anyways -- If I get a Wii U, there are 4-5 other games that interest me in the launch window", it might twist my arm enough to not get it for a system I already own, and get the Wii U earlier than I planned. Same would probably go for Batman had I not bought it last year. It's a really good game. If I hadn't played it, and if the consensus is that the Wii U version is the best version, that would be another selling point. |
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