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Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1 (Nintendo WiiWare) discussion [game]

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So, I played the first two worlds and I have some impressions. In short: it's pretty good.

For someone like me, who suffered through Heroes, Black Knight and God forbid Shadow the Hedgehog, this game is glorious. But on its own, there are some things that hold it back from greatness, at least so far. It's like, imagine you're ten and your mom's been forcing you to eat a ton of broccoli and then suddenly she brings you some average ice cream. You're gonna love it, but that doesn't make it great.

I'm not going to explain how Sonic works. Because, it works just like the classic games. I'm only gonna focus on what I wanted to know before playing it. Design-wise, it's the sequel to Sonic 3. Without a doubt. From the moment you boot it up, it feels like one of the Genesis games in today's age. But then you start playing and find some small, but present annoyances. And it's those kinds of annoyances that have "Sega" written all over them. Dillo should know what I'm saying.

I will say this, though: Sonic 4 feels more like Sonic 3 than Sonic Advance, but there is some Advance in there. The level design is much more solid than that in the Advance titles. You hold right, you lose. But, there's a bit too much Homing Attack. Too many lined-up enemies in the air for you to kill with it. Too many speed bumpers. Like, seriously. There's no need to put a speed bumper before a loop. Let me charge my spin dash. Speaking of which, another "Sega" annoyance: you can't charge it with the 1 button. Only with 2. Why?

I actually love the graphics, and the music's alright. I would say, buy it. If you're a hardcore Sonic fan, you've suffered enough, man. You deserve this. Think back to Shadow the Hedgehog and be grateful you're playing this. You're not gonna cry in happiness, but you will not suffer. You will enjoy it.

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Posted: 10/12/10, 01:19:03  - Edited by 
 on: 10/12/10, 01:20:22
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Cool, I'll be downloading it off PSN tomorrow.
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:21:12
Hey, I like Broccoli!
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:29:51
What exactly is average ice cream? Are we talking flavors or brands? I guess there are some brands that suck, but when you get a good brand it is pretty much ALL GOOD.

Except chocolate. And stuff with pecans and such in it.
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:36:49
Yeah I don't like the libel you're spewing about broccoli in this thread. Is there a contact moderators button in this forum?
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:38:03
We're talking one which wouldn't be as tasty if you had been consistently getting awesome ice cream for the past 19 years.

Oh, and I hate broccoli. In your impressions thread you can love broccoli!
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:39:18  - Edited by 
 on: 10/12/10, 01:39:58
Guys, I had some ice cream at Pirate's Dinner Adventure (think Midieval Times but with pirates) and it was fucking awful. I've never seen vanilla ice cream screwed up so bad.

This thread is about ice cream, right?
Posted: 10/12/10, 01:42:02
You like neither chocolate NOR pecans??

What are you, a communist?

We've already got our eye on that broccoli-hating rabble-rouser. Don't worry.

I always used to wonder why all of my American friends hated vegetables. I was like, "They're so fucking good!* You're crazy!" Then I had dinner at their houses and understood.

I was picking out turnips at the grocery store once, and there was an old man next to me, nodding in approval. "You like turnips, huh?" I was like, "YEAH, I like turnips! They're awesome! How do you cook them?" He goes "Well, you wash 'em, slice 'em, boil 'em in water, and then put a little salt on them." "Oh." "Have you ever tried rutabagas?" "No, but I've always wanted to. How do you cook those??" "Well, you wash 'em, slice 'em..."

I felt so bad for that old man. Poor bastard. Sixty some years on this earth, and salt and (possibly) pepper are probably the only spices he's ever tasted. (Plus, he's so lonely that he has to chat up terrorist-looking motherfuckers in the grocery store.)

*The exception is bitter melon. Even more disgusting than it sounds. Who seeks out bitterness?? UGH.
Posted: 10/12/10, 02:29:34  - Edited by 
 on: 10/12/10, 02:30:21
Oh, by the way, one new addition I like: Once you get a Chaos Emerald in a special stage (which you access the classic way), you can select any of the seven Special stages from the menu. Makes it less of a hassle to collect the Emeralds.
Posted: 10/12/10, 02:39:46
~thread got hijacked by ice cream so I decided to take my impression down....~
Posted: 10/12/10, 02:44:43  - Edited by 
 on: 10/13/10, 00:22:50
It gets better in Casino Street. I say give that a try, if you don't like it, you can give up.
Posted: 10/12/10, 02:48:14
Zero said:
What exactly is average ice cream? Are we talking flavors or brands? I guess there are some brands that suck, but when you get a good brand it is pretty much ALL GOOD.

Except chocolate. And stuff with pecans and such in it.

Well, you know... you get a cheap grocery store brand or something and the ice cream isn't creamy.

Mint chocolate chip all the way.
Posted: 10/12/10, 03:35:50
Does anyone else like the 'Blue Moon' flavor of ice cream? I think it's delicious.

I really don't like Sonic games, so I think I'm going to pass on this one. Although on the other hand? I've got Sonic Colors pre-ordered at my local Gamestop. Am I a hypocrite? Nah. I just want that Sonic hat. Not sure I'll even play the game...

Hey wait, maybe I will. Blue Moon ice cream is blue, and Sonic is blue too! Maybe I'll like the new Sonic because the colors.
Posted: 10/12/10, 06:52:21

Haha... I thought I was the only one that preordered Sonic Colors at GameStop just for the hat. Well, I'll probably play the game, but it's not one I'd normally get without checking the reviews first (given the Sonic cycle and all). Here's hoping the game is worthy of the hat!

Oh, and I've never heard of the Blue Moon flavor of ice cream, but a quick Google search tells me that it's similar to Superman ice cream. And if that's the case, I'm with you on your choice. As a kid, I was obsessed with Superman ice cream. Sooo good. I'd still be obsessed with it if I ate the stuff.

My favorite flavors at the moment would be Turtle Mountain's Cherry Nirvana and Pomegranate Chip.
Posted: 10/12/10, 07:06:19  - Edited by 
 on: 10/12/10, 07:07:11
Remember bubble gum ice cream? Ewwwww.
Posted: 10/12/10, 18:54:19
Anything with cookie dough pretty much does it for me.

Last time I went out for ice cream I got "cake batter" to try something new, it was pretty nice. Although, a part of me thought I should have just gotten cookie dough.
Posted: 10/12/10, 19:01:32
Uch, I hate cookie dough. I can't believe people enjoy eating fucking DOUGH. What's the next craze, pizza dough? Pumpernickel dough? Caulk?

Cake batter, on the other hand, is delicious.

When I was a kid, my mom got me a pint of cookie dough ice cream, and I was quite disappointed, but decided to try to eat it, so she wouldn't feel bad. But my sister went in and ate all of the ice cream, leaving only the gross dough. So I made cookies.

Actually, I just threw it away.
Posted: 10/12/10, 19:10:20  - Edited by 
 on: 10/12/10, 19:12:29
I'm not the hugest Sonic fan around, you know. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sonic games have never been that good, or at least, they don't focus on what I find enjoyable in a platformer.

I'm saying this not (just) to piss off Dillo, but mostly to make it clear I'm not someone who's played Sonic games so much and knows them so intimately, I'll notice minute details like his eye color being wrong and get pissed off about it.

So that said, I've just played the demo on PSN: this game plays like shit. What's wrong with it, you ask? Just one thing that I care to mention, but it's kind of big and important.

When you jump, if you let go of the d-pad or stick, your movement stops. Sonic has NO momentum whatsoever. You know, momentum? The thing the Sonic Genesis games were all about?

It feels so wrong, it's immediately obvious to anyone who's played a Sonic game for more than a second. If they wanted to bring Sonic back to its roots, they kind of screwed one of the most defining elements of those games.

Well, fingers crossed for Episode 2, I guess.
Posted: 10/13/10, 05:40:24  - Edited by 
 on: 10/13/10, 05:41:23
I also just played the PSN demo.

I also thought it was shit.
Posted: 10/13/10, 05:55:03
nate38 said:
I also thought it was shit.

That's my kind of ice cream.
Posted: 10/13/10, 06:22:08
I'm assuming the demo contains the shitty Splash Hill zone.

It gets better after that. I'm not expecting Simba to like it, but nate, you might get a kick out of it.
Posted: 10/13/10, 17:28:13
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