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The reasons Sonic beats Mario in every possible way, period. [top ten]
 
Mario VS. Sonic. The debate has gotten the blood of many a fanboy boiling for more than two decades. Well I'm here to end the debate once and for all! It's Sonic!

Everything Mario and everything Sonic is fair game in this top ten, so let's dive right in! In no particular order, here are the reasons that Sonic rules and Mario drools.
Posted: 04/01/13, 17:17:59  - Edited by 
 on: 04/01/13, 17:54:08
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Blast Processing.

'Nuff said.
 
Sonic saves the world. Mario just saves the princess.

Every time Mario sets out on an adventure, what's his main goal? Save Princess Toadstool...again. That's getting old and tired. Shouldn't she be able to save herself by now?

Now with Sonic, it's all about the bigger picture. Defeat Dr. Robotnik (or Dr. Eggman if you prefer) with the aid of the Chaos Emeralds, and save the world first. The girl comes later.
 
Bowser is a lame villain.

Going from the last point, Bowser's plans usually revolve around kidnapping Princess Peach and then...what? Sit there and stare at her? His plans aren't usually very well thought out. After all, he isn't even literate.

Meanwhile, Sonic's main nemesis is Dr. Robotnik. He's brilliant, with a mind-boggling IQ of 300. He builds massive, near impossible to destroy machines to stop Sonic. Can't beat that, can you Bowser?
 
Sonic uses better weapons.

In all fairness, there isn't a huge sample pool for this topic.

Mario uses hammers. Sonic uses...SWORDS! Much like how ninjas beat pirates, swords beat hammers.
 
Sonic's spin-off games are better.


Luigi's Mansion? Super Princess Peach? That's all you've got coming out of your universe, Mario?

To that I counter with the intuitive Knuckles Chaotix and the award-winning Shadow the Hedgehog.
 
Sonic is better with the ladies (plural).

Mario has been chasing Princess Toadstool for almost three decades, and they still aren't married! All he gets is an occasional kiss and a cake, whatever that means. On top of that, she's not even there half the time he goes searching for her.

Sonic, on the other hand, has the ladies chasing after him. Amy Rose follows him to the ends of the earth just hoping to catch a glimpse of him. Secretly, Rogue is hoping to find a treasure so astounding that he can't help but fall in love with her. Cream the Rabbit also has a child-like crush on "Mr. Sonic".

If you ask me, Sonic is doing something right, and Mario, despite his best intentions, has it all wrong.
 
Mario's power-ups stink.

Now I'll be the first to admit that making fire appear out of nowhere is a pretty cool party trick, but then things get weird. Propellor Mario? Penguin Mario? Spring Mario? Seriously, who thought coiling up an out of shape plumber was a good idea?

Sonic, on the other hand, has the best power-ups. Super speed, invincibility (something you never see in video games), and Super Sonic form. The best power-ups. Ever.
 
"Mario is a better athlete," said no one ever.

In one of the only games that directly pits Mario and Sonic against each other in "friendly" competition, Sonic and Mario are basically equals. That's only because Sonic had to compete at Mario's level. Truth be told, he can outrun, out-jump, and out-everything Mario. It's not even close. But...he'll settle for a close second on occasion to boost Mario's self esteem.
 
"Sonic is a better fighter," said everyone who plays Brawl.

In their only other known game that they star in together, Sonic wins again. He's faster, his moves are more effective, and his taunts are better. So there you go.
 
Blue is a better color than red.

True, Mario wears blue overalls, but 1. who wears overalls anymore unless they live in the rural jungles of Alabama* and B. Mario's known for his red hat more than his blue overalls.

Sonic, on the other hand, is all blue with some red on his shoes. Ergo Sonic > Mario.

*Editor's Note: I live in Alabama, so I'm pretty much allowed to say that since I see overalls on a weekly basis.
 
So there you have it. Sonic is the best, and Mario is, well...lame. I think I've made my points perfectly clear in a non-biased, non-fanboy way.

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@Secret_Tunnel Aww did Shadow saying the mean word make you cry? Better go back to your Yoshi's Preschool Crayola Babygame if you can't handle a DARK AND MATURE game franchise like Sonic
Posted: 05/14/20, 02:27:09
WrathOfSamus777 said:
ludist210 said:
Did TheViss somehow find his way here? This is just becoming comical.
TheViss. I feel like I should know that name.

But anyway....anyone else notice that you never see LazerKing and Zero in the same room together?

Huh? HUH????

Was that that guy who happened to have a GameCube and N64 controller right there and the cord on the GameCube controllers... much shorter?
Posted: 05/14/20, 04:45:26
Posted: 05/14/20, 05:17:19
Posted: 05/14/20, 05:39:48
I remember that post haha. I think TheViss was one of the trolls on Nintendo General Board at IGN.
Posted: 05/14/20, 06:14:29
Speaking of AI and trolls, someone trained a text generation model on posts from the Smash reddit and tweets from some competitive player, and it's gold:







(It's carlos! 😁)





(This is how I actually feel about non-Nintendo consoles and emulation...)





@nate38

Posted: 05/15/20, 21:26:46
@Secret_Tunnel

Oh my gosh, that thing is hilarious. I want one in my living room! It's also proof positive that we use the word "toxic" way too much as an easy synonym for saying something is "bad."

EDIT: I'm in tears from that very first tweet, actually picturing people coming up after a Smash tourney and doing that stuff, and his relatively mild way he says that he's tired of people doing indescribable things to him!
Posted: 05/15/20, 21:34:22  - Edited by 
 on: 05/15/20, 21:38:03
@Secret_Tunnel Haha yeah, as someone fairly familiar with the popular Smash personalities and daily-ish visitor to the Smash subreddit, I love Deep Leffen Bot.

Speaking of Smash ESPORTS, there's been a bunch of online tournaments lately, and last weekend an 8000+ entrant tournament was apparently the largest eSports tournament of all time (or so Hungrybox claimed). I should get around to entering one, even though I really haven't played Ultimate that much since mid 2019 or so. Other NW people should try too! So far I think they've all been free to enter. Though I imagine it does sorta take up at least a good portion of your weekend.
Posted: 05/15/20, 21:47:30
I mean... itís probably not a real bot, though. This is a thing now, to claim you wrote a bot and then just do a parody.

Maybe I should make my own Negative World bot.
Posted: 05/15/20, 23:56:47
@kriswright From what I've seen, it's a real bot that creates the content, but the guy who runs the Twitter only posts the "tweets" that are worthwhile, and presumably throws out a lot of what the bot comes up with that either isn't entertaining or doesn't make any sense.
Posted: 05/16/20, 00:04:29
@nate38

I mean itís funnier if itís a real bot. But Iím telling you this happens on Twitter and Reddit all the time.
Posted: 05/16/20, 00:07:26
@kriswright

Oh yeah, those fake "I forced a bot to watch a thousand hours of Batman movies" are a little gross to me. But this one seems legit! It'd be more work for them to fake all this than it would be to actually do it, look at the Twitter account's header photo.

But yeah, this level of absurdity is hilarious to me, it's like dril for Smash. 😂
Posted: 05/16/20, 00:13:11
[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533615]kriswright said:[/ref][quote]I love this idea that Laser King wakes up every 4 or 5 days and realizes he needs to come back here and school us about Sega and Nintendo.

BTW, real talk? Iíd take most of Sonicís goofy ass friends over Yoshi.[/quote]Bly Iíll take most of msrioís friends and Yoshi over sonicís useless friends and Amy Rose. The stalker. [ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533618]TriforceBun said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533615]kriswright said:[/ref][quote]I love this idea that Laser King wakes up every 4 or 5 days and realizes he needs to come back here and school us about Sega and Nintendo.

BTW, real talk? Iíd take most of Sonicís goofy ass friends over Yoshi.[/quote]
Yoshi was the coolest thing ever in the SNES days. Mario World and Yoshi's Island Yoshi are fantastic. Then Yoshi's Story came along and ruined him irreparably. Now he's basically a dopey Pokemon. You all know it's true![/quote] Yoshi isnít a dopey Pokťmon. Toshiís story didnít ruin him.[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533619]kriswright said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533618]@TriforceBun[/ref]

Real talk? I ainít that crazy about him in World. Donít get me wrong, I loved him back then, but now riding on Yoshi feels like Iím breaking the game. The modern games have it about right, with specific Yoshi levels that you canít take him out of.

Tails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yoshi
Knuckles >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yoshi
Shadow >>>>>>>>Yoshi
Big the Cat > Yoshi[/quote] Boy. Yoshi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tails
Yoshi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Knuckles
Yoshi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shadow
Yoshi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Big the Cat

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533627]TriforceBun said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533619]@kriswright[/ref]

That's interesting; I think there's definitely a difference in how Nintendo designs their games nowadays versus back then, but I think both have their merits. For instance, feeling more powerful with Yoshi and being able to take him around to "break" other levels actually adds quite a bit of replayability and player agency IMO. But I can see why one would prefer a tighter experience.

I cannot see why Shadow the Hedgehog beats anything, anywhere though! I'd take ten Big the Cats (Bigs the Cat??) over Shadow!

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533625]@Hero_Of_Hyrule[/ref]

It sounds shallow, but it's largely that voice. It was initially supposed to be just for Baby Yoshis in the game, but it spread out to all other aspects of the dino in all future games. "Yoshiiii!" The singing, the kind of generic mascot element...I dunno, I just felt like the character suddenly slipped out of my demographic before my very eyes. Nintendo is teh kiddie!!!11

Also, he just seemed to have more personality prior to that, particularly in YI. Like when you beat Prince Froggy and Yoshi shows up with this wide-eyed, horrified expression after going through that mess! I can't image the newer Yoshi doing that kind of thing.[/quote]Dhadow the hedgehog doesnít beat anything.

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533627]TriforceBun said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533619]@kriswright[/ref]

That's interesting; I think there's definitely a difference in how Nintendo designs their games nowadays versus back then, but I think both have their merits. For instance, feeling more powerful with Yoshi and being able to take him around to "break" other levels actually adds quite a bit of replayability and player agency IMO. But I can see why one would prefer a tighter experience.

I cannot see why Shadow the Hedgehog beats anything, anywhere though! I'd take ten Big the Cats (Bigs the Cat??) over Shadow!

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533625]@Hero_Of_Hyrule[/ref]

It sounds shallow, but it's largely that voice. It was initially supposed to be just for Baby Yoshis in the game, but it spread out to all other aspects of the dino in all future games. "Yoshiiii!" The singing, the kind of generic mascot element...I dunno, I just felt like the character suddenly slipped out of my demographic before my very eyes. Nintendo is teh kiddie!!!11

Also, he just seemed to have more personality prior to that, particularly in YI. Like when you beat Prince Froggy and Yoshi shows up with this wide-eyed, horrified expression after going through that mess! I can't image the newer Yoshi doing that kind of thing.[/quote] Nintendo isnít kiddy and that voice isnít annoying. The singing isnít generic nor is it a generic mascot element. The newer Yoshi can do that and stop. Yoshi has more personality in the newer games. The voice isnít wrong and you are shallow.[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533629]kriswright said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=3#533627]@TriforceBun[/ref]

I mean, I'm not a fan of Shadow the Hedgehog either, but there's a minor case for him.

-He's a dynamic character in Sonic Adventure 2. He goes from a villain to an anti-hero. You actually see him experience the death and loss of a close personal friend and leads to a heroic sacrifice. So he's not all bad.
-He's a foil character, so he's there to contrast and highlight the heroic decisions made by Sonic. (That's a classic trope, though not honestly a favorite of mine. Nintendo does this all the time though, so we can't knock it categorically)
-The version of him in the Sonic Boom cartoon is an hilarious send up of anti-hero characters. Shadow is worth existing for those couple of episodes alone.

But that's all I got. He's apparently very beloved in the Sonic community for reasons beyond "Sonic with Guns", which is how you and I mostly look at him. I'm not a fan, but I don't think he's quite as ridiculous as I used to think he was.[/quote]Nintendo doesnít do the foul character all the time. Shadow is all that bad. Heís actaully loves because of shadow with dark n crap. Shadow is overrated and his edginess is what made sonic bad today.
Posted: 05/22/20, 23:53:14
Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash needs to stop.
Posted: 05/22/20, 23:54:52
LazerKing80 said:
Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash needs to stop.
Smash esports is not the not largest and this non-hate in not smash doesn't need to not stop.
Posted: 05/23/20, 00:11:00  - Edited by 
 on: 05/23/20, 00:11:14
TriforceBun said:
LazerKing80 said:
Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash needs to stop.
Smash esports is not the not largest and this non-hate in not smash doesn't need to not stop.
But an end to hate in smash and hatred towards newbs isn't the end of it. Noobs can be just as hateful as pros as well. Make a note to yourself not to be a jerk after every victory (unless of course you're TSM, try not to be like Froggen, although that guy's like a pro). Also when you know you've been playing for a bit, begin to look out for more competitive games. Try to play only in 2v2s, and make sure you try to practice against non-ranked people and don't just force yourself into a ranked team at launch.
Posted: 05/23/20, 00:49:35
Bit late to this post but....

@Secret_Tunnel


Haha! It IS Carlos! . Scary.
Posted: 05/23/20, 13:04:52
[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533893]TriforceBun said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533892]LazerKing80 said:[/ref][quote]Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash needs to stop.[/quote]Smash esports is not the not largest and this non-hate in not smash doesn't need to not stop.[/quote]Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash does need to stop.

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533894]nate38 said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533893]TriforceBun said:[/ref][quote][ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533892]LazerKing80 said:[/ref][quote]Smash esports is the largest and this hate in smash needs to stop.[/quote]Smash esports is not the not largest and this non-hate in not smash doesn't need to not stop.[/quote]But an end to hate in smash and hatred towards newbs isn't the end of it. Noobs can be just as hateful as pros as well. Make a note to yourself not to be a jerk after every victory (unless of course you're TSM, try not to be like Froggen, although that guy's like a pro). Also when you know you've been playing for a bit, begin to look out for more competitive games. Try to play only in 2v2s, and make sure you try to practice against non-ranked people and don't just force yourself into a ranked team at launch.[/quote]All of that is Not True.

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533899]Shadowlink said:[/ref][quote]Bit late to this post but....

[ref=id=9604&pagenumber=4#533752]@Secret_Tunnel[/ref]


Haha! It IS Carlos! . Scary.[/quote]No.
Posted: 06/05/20, 00:32:27
@LazerKing80

Welcome home, my king. Please tell me about your favorite Mario games.
Posted: 06/05/20, 00:59:24
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