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Sometimes Foresight is 20/20 [roundtable]
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03/31/13, 11:49 Edited: 03/31/13, 16:03
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Do we really KNOW if the wars were or were not a mistake? I mean, yes, aspects of them have been terrible for many people, no one would ever deny that. What we don't always see are the people any intervention helped. And we're unlikely to really ever see it, we can't predict alternate timelines. It becomes tricky in that regard. One singular event changes the course of history, big and small. We'll never know what history would have been. To call it a mistake is a little bit playing God in a way. Taken further, for example, the Holocaust was a horrific, terrible thing. What might have happened without it, though? Could someone more destructive than Hitler have risen because people were not prepared? Sure, could have. I myself do not know, so making guesses makes me feel not so good about it. It's one of the reasons morality is so important, because when we ignore (or sidestep) it, we open things up to the possibility that everything we do can be rational and reasonable, even if the rest of the world sees it differently. If we are going to swim in the deep end of the pool, we need a life preserver. As a wise man once said: Certainly is an interesting bit of Philosophical thought, though. |
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@JargonI'm going to argue against it. I will say that bringing the troops back home may have been his original intention but he was speaking as a person outside of the knowledge of a President. Once in office, he realized things aren't as simple as just giving the order and bringing them back home. I'm still iffy about the reasons and honestly think this is mostly a matter or pleasing the "benefactors" than it is about the "war on terror" in Afghanistan or Iraq (specially Iraq). The US garnered a lot of hate by how they behaved. I was told by my Islamic Civ. professor that it was the US that created the taliban to combat the Russians in the cold war. After they no longer needed them, they were just tossed aside, and the soldiers not knowing what else to do they just plundered and created chaos. Al qaeda formed to counter that and blamed the US for all the current happenings in Afghanistan. With that said, more innocent lives have been lost in both Afghanistan and Iraq than in September 11 ever since the "war" started. Both al qaeda and the taliban do more harm to their people than anyone else and the US is simply helping them. But nobody cares about those dirty brownies, right? Amirite? And the attack for all intents and purposes was from a relatively small faction in Afghanistan, why go to Iraq, find imaginary weapons of mass destruction, kill more innocent civilians, find oil? Why don't you invade Iran or North Korea who do have weapons and have repeatedly threatened to use them? Only pick on the weak and defenseless why don't you. Anyway, back on topic, I don't think I have any "opinions" that later became truths. I will however state that people that are bashing the Wii U for "only being on par with PS360" will be in for a rude awakening. The PS3 has proven to be a less than ideal (by some standards) upgrade and I suspect the nextbox to follow suit. This time, all three dedicated gaming consoles will be in the same ballpark in terms of graphics fidelity. Still, there are people who will throw the "PS4 is more powerful" without actually knowing what they are talking about, but that always happens. I am worried about the fact that we are collectively moving into this place that values graphics before anything else, however. |
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I definitely think we will see an attempt to revive Guitar Hero / Rock Band.
Honestly though, the main reason I think it died wasn't so much that it was a "fad" but that there wasn't really anywhere to move forward with it... it's a pretty limited concept by definition and adding a bunch of crap surrounding it doesn't change the fact that you're doing the same exact thing every game. Well, maybe that is the definition of fad? A one-trick pony? But I think of fads as things that don't even have a real trick, they just kind of get big for some superficial reason and that can't sustain them longterm. I think Guitar Hero / Rock Band got big for legitimate reasons though. I just don't think there was anywhere to go from where they were at. Personally, I only own Guitar Hero 1 & 2... never bothered after that, not because I wasn't satisfied with them, but because the newer versions didn't seem to offer much beyond what I had already played. Rock Band added drums and a mic, I suppose, but by the time that got cheap enough for me to care about, I was living out of one tiny room and rarely played local multiplayer games anyway, so I just didn't need the junk taking up space.
I wonder if the problem is that they kept trying to sell the new games as new games. Maybe what they need to do is a free to play model where the only thing you are buying is new songs? But then you automatically get the new gameplay upgrades? I dunno.
I kind of see sports games in the same boat, except that sports fans care more about new rosters than music fans care about new songs, apparently. |
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Zero said:I don't define mistake in such a vague, butterfly effect way though. For instance, let's say I have the chance to save a child's life who is about to be hit by a car, and I do so, and then the child grows up to be the next Hitler. Did I make a mistake? I say no. I made the right decision. The fact that life is unpredictable and a lot of bad came from the right decision doesn't make it not the right decision based on the information that I had at the time. Fair enough. I think in the case of the war thing, it would be like you trying to save the child (or many children) and at the same time causing harm to a number of others, probably not particularly intentionally, you were just trying very hard to prevent the horrible death of the kids you were trying to protect. So maybe in that scenario, you jump out and save the kid, but the car swerves and drives off a cliff and there was a whole family in that car. It's rarely so clear cut in things like war. Of course I'm not a fan of war ever, so I can't really speak to that. My point was merely that I try not to look at stuff and say "Oh I was right" because I did that for a lot of years and it felt great at the time except looking back now it was kind of terrible for me. That's all I was saying. And everyone has to call that shot for themselves, no judgement here. |
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