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Does the Wii U feel progressive to you? [roundtable]
 
Does the Wii U feel like the future of gaming? Or at least a step forward? GE's Youtube link got me ponderin'.

Although the graphics don't seem to have advanced very far beyond 360/PS3, I personally think that it does feel 'next-gen', due to Miiverse, the general Gamepad implementation, and fresh, novel games like Luigi's Ghost Mansion. I'm honestly not sure whether a Watch Dogs demo-level presentational enhancement alone would trigger that sensation for me.

I'll admit that it could be possible that I'm conflating novelty and progress here, but who cares, really? Even if the movement ends up somewhat lateral, like with motion control on the Wii, I NEED that movement to stay engaged with gaming. Shooting people in increasingly more realistic environments doesn't do it for me anymore. IMO

Hmm, now I wanna do a roundtable about which games of the last generation felt truly new and interesting...

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Posted: 11/28/12, 17:32:37  - Edited by 
 on: 11/28/12, 17:34:00
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@anon_mastermind

Sure, but you can't have Miiverse in a void. It's more than just "Nintendo's twitter". I guess MS could have its own service, compatible with tablets, but that would be missing the point. You need a separate thing, a tablet, and it will always remain that: a separate thing.

With the Wii U, you access the Miiverse with the same controller you're playing the game with. It's right there, you don't need anything else. You press the Home button and can right there type up something and post a screenshot.

Marsh last night beat my Nano Assault score on a level, and posted the screenshot of the leaderboard for all of us to see. I sure saw it, as I was checking the Miiverse right before bed, the charging stand being right on my night table. When I saw that, I thought "well I could try beating his score before going to sleep", after preparing for bed. Right there, I started Nano Assault, and played for half an hour until I finally beat his score, and then replied to his thread. And then set the GamePad on the stand and went to sleep.

Would Marsh have bothered posting if it had required dropping his controller and picking up his smartphone? Maybe, but it's an extra step.

Would I have gotten up, turned on the TV, turned on the console, started the game and started playing after getting ready for bed had I just seen his boast on twitter on my phone? Hell no!

You need both. They're intertwined.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:28:15
All I really know is it will play HD Zelda, so that's got me a little hyped. My kids will love it. It will be a family system, just like the Wii before it.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:37:03
@Guillaume
It really is elegant the way it's set up. And it can only get better with updates.

It would be funny if MS just went whole hog and released a gamepad-esque controller for their next console.

But I mainly meant the difference in mood/environment that a MS Miiverse-esque service would have. It'd be a cesspool and I think even MS knows this.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:38:10  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 00:38:35
@GelatinousEncore

Whoa, whoa, whoa....




.... Kameo never looked like shit....






Posted: 11/29/12, 00:44:49  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 00:46:21
anon_mastermind said:
@Guillaume
Well, he hasn't experienced it yet, so he can't really speak about how it feels. I don't think he did. He just said that Microsoft will copy Nintendo...which they will. It'll be funny to see the contrast between Miiverse and whatever MS comes up with, haha.

Is there any chance that Zune Avatar Land (Kinect Enabled!) won't have adds?
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:45:13
@nacthenud It looks much worse from a technical standpoint than the games we're getting on Xbox 360 today.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:46:08
@Secret_Tunnel
No, it will definitely be filled with ads.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:48:55
As someone who has barely even experienced an HD console, it definitely feels like a gigantic step. I mean, it IS a gigantic step, for me. Batman looks so clean and deep, and I still play my Wii daily and the GC at least once a week. So yeah, the graphics. Miiverse is huge, obviously. We all know this, its been talked about into the ground. MIIIIIVERSE WARAWARAWARA. (I, too, like seeing what people are talking about in there, though I'm admittedly actively AVOIDING the NSMBU Community for fear of spoilers. We'll catch up sometime.) Next up, the GamePad. Absolutely, you can touch the screen and it does things. (The fact that you can play almost any game on the GamePad alone -- in another room -- is just "wow" to me, too.) I'm aware that the 3DS has had this portability already, but we haven't really seen it on a console, at least not implemented to this degree. Did they really just combine a couple of things to make a new console? Eh, kinda, I guess? But that combo MAKES it something; like the person who first combined colored water and horse hooves: "I'll call this...JELL-O!!'

@deathly_hallows

You don't buy the e-Peen argument? Why the hell not? I've of people renting a game SOLELY to get an "easy trophy." If that isn't the most ridiculous thing we've seen in videogames, I don't know what is.

@MikeD487

Even setting up the GamePad and controlling the TV to practice. What the S. Awesome.

@Anand

One of my games uses the Click Stick for something..and I can't remember which one. Could be Batman? Could be Madden? Either way, I've forgotten what it does, and that is not a good thing. Its like that button input doesn't even exist for me! They gotta be more memorable somehow.

@ploot

I haven't played NintendoLand, but like you said, aren't collecting those deals Achievements in their own right? Isn't finding tons of Riddler trophies an Achievement? Why do I need say "HERE PLOOT, LOOK AT HOW MANY TROPHIES I GOT?" And like Gui or Anand (or someone else, sorry) said up there, why can't I just say it in the Miiverse "Man, I just found my 200th Riddler Trophy!" or simply say "Hey Ploot, I just found my 200th Riddler Trophy." I'm sure I'll let you guys know. Heck, I couldn't wait to get on here and tell you guys about all the animals I fed in Okami. E-PEEEEEEEEEEEEEN.

@GelatinousEncore

Is that Guy Fieri!? Anyway, video is taking forever to load..
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:52:17
Mr_Mustache said:
@deathly_hallows

You don't buy the e-Peen argument? Why the hell not? I've of people renting a game SOLELY to get an "easy trophy." If that isn't the most ridiculous thing we've seen in videogames, I don't know what is.


This definitely happened. I remember when Gamefly had a months-long wait list for the 360 version of that Avatar game(the cartoon, not the movie) because you could get all 1000 Gamerscore points on it in about 2 minutes.

I like the idea of in-game achievements, but I'm actually glad Nintendo didn't put a system-wide gamerscore/trophy level thing into this.
Posted: 11/29/12, 00:59:55
Guillaume said:
@Oldmanwinter

So? No one so far has implemented anything of its magnitude that works as well as it does. It's progressive. We've answered the question.


Answered what question? That the Wii U feels progressive? How about you show me where I argued otherwise? You are aware that within threads various discussions can take place that aren't directly related to the OP, right? Or maybe you are just being an asshole. These days I can't tell.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:09:32  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:09:57
@Zero

The Screen as a Sub-Screen / Map is EVERYTHING I've wanted out of games that require this through the years. Excellent implementation, I can't get enough of it. The "look at the GamePad screen" messages are great, too. I just think they nailed it.

--What would the MicroVerse be like? Tons of swearing? "F Yeah!"s? Drawings of hge cranks and alcohol? Man, where is GameWizard, I think we know what he should get next..

@Anand

Ha, oh yeah, I forgot that Nintendo Online is free. The things you take for granted. Please, MH, stay free..

@Zero

I am shocked. This seems like THE CONSOLE for Grant. Legit.

@Guillaume

Haha, I like this story. Good points.

@nacthenud

I TOTALLY just thought that was a screen shot from Skyward Sword, and someone else was riding Epona or something. Haven't played Skyward Sword yet..

@DeputyVanHalen

Ah! So there we have it. I think thats ridiculous.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:10:02  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:13:14
People are really misinterpreting what Iwata said with regards to Miiverse on 3DS. He said it is browser based so you will eventually have access through other devices such as 3DS, PC and smartphones. I think they are just going to have a website that you can access with any device with a browser.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:23:30
@nacthenud


Kameo looked great in 2005 because it was the first console HD game a lot of people had ever seen.

I wouldn't call it a good looking game though.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:26:35
@GelatinousEncore
Kameo and King Kong did and do look fabulous, especially King Kong. I recently bought that game after searching for years and was blown away. It still looks great.

Still, I think Zombi U also looks fabulous.

Edit: And Miiverse is absolutely a progression. People who own the Wii U love the damn thing and you can't understand the appeal til it's in your hands.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:28:28  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:42:43
@Oldmanwinter

This is getting old. Fuck you, really. Yes, discussions can spawn out of other discussions, but when you come in and say "I'm gonna ignore what this thread is about and just say that whatever good Nintendo is doing is worthless because someone else will copy them and do it better", I reserve the right to say "Would you kindly not shit on people's parade, at least in threads that don't call for it".
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:36:10  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:36:55
Guillaume said:
@Oldmanwinter

This is getting old. Fuck you, really. Yes, discussions can spawn out of other discussions, but when you come in and say "I'm gonna ignore what this thread is about and just say that whatever good Nintendo is doing is worthless because someone else will copy them and do it better", I reserve the right to say "Would you kindly not shit on people's parade".


No. Fuck you really. I never shit on anyone's parade, I simply said that if Miiverse is the main "progressive" draw it seems like a relatively simple thing to copy. That is in no way, shape or form discounting the Wii U.

Also, during my parade of "shitting on people" in this thread I said this regarding online functionality and how Nintendo has a great position... not that you read it while you were building yet another bullshit strawman to burn:

"Nintendo has a better chance, even though they are just now building their online base, than anyone and it's because of the games. I've said this for years, and we will finally see if it comes true. You make Mario Kart and Smash and Mario Party with seamless online integration and you are going to see a fuckton of people get on board. It's inevitable, these are some of the most beloved games on the market, anyone with internet and even a slight affinity for Nintendo games is going to flood Nintendo's online network to play Mario Kart, assuming Nintendo doesn't fuck up the integration part which I really dont think will happen this time."

But of course, you didn't read that.

And in all honesty fuck yourself. You are exactly what you parade against, a bigoted assclown who doesn't listen to other people's opinions, on some sort of a bizarre jihad against anything that may be deemed negative towards your small frame of reference. I said nothing in this thread to do anything even approaching what you are claiming, I've repeatedly said how much I'm looking forward to certain games and even in this thread how great of a position Nintendo is in. Because you don't bother to read anything and come in on the attack for no reason, arguing a point I never made... really it's ridiculous. You do this on a semi regular basis, and you are right, it's old.

Actually it's not old, it's flat out pathetic, as is your bullshit routine. It would be great if you would have the decency, like pretty much everyone else here to debate issues sensibly. Which you don't, this being a prime, prime example.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:45:55  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:47:27
Oh my.

Let's all breathe a bit. We're all friends here. Except for people who are enemies. That's ok too. I guess.

BREATHE.

Or at least stop swearing at each other. Come on. That's easy enough to do. Miiverse should have us primed for it.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:47:07  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:48:07
Zero said:
Oh my.

Let's all breathe a bit. We're all friends here. Except for people who are enemies. That's ok too. I guess.

BREATHE.

Tell me where this guy gets off? We were having a decent discussion till he showed up.

Seriously review the thread and tell me I'm wrong.


Edit: no more personal attacks
- a_m
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:48:59  - Edited by 
 on: 11/29/12, 01:53:31
@Guillaume@Oldmanwinter
Guys, take this to PM. Personal attacks aren't welcome. I'll be deleting posts containing any further arguments between you two.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:52:32
You're wrong, he's not a prick. That was easy enough.

Also, whether you think he was being fair or not, you're the first person who started calling names here.

BUT... that's not really the crux of it either, is it? It's that you feel that he was being unfair towards your comments. Something to think about.

You're just kind of on the two extremes when it comes to users of the site. And butting heads. Ug.
Posted: 11/29/12, 01:53:51
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