Yeah part of me is having a hard time believing that using both is that functional or comfortable. Can you just disregard the Gamepad entirely? The NPC Pikmin games got along fine without it right? I'd like to jump in on this game at some point and I'm kind of done with waggle controls. I didn't even like the spin attack In Mario Galaxy.

Mr_Mustache said:

@Shadowlink

Have you tried just the GamePad? The screen is RIGHT THERE, why switch away from that?

Yes I have, and I switched because the Wiimote aiming is better.

Take a picture of yourself playing, I'm picturing something INCREDIBLY cumbersome. (Like trying to open up the front door with both hands full of groceries.)

You're wrong. if you actually read what I'm saying (or you know tried it for yourself instead of judging from a position of ignorance), you would understand why

@PogueSquadron

You can, but it's useful for the map and go here function. But Like I said, switching to that pauses it, so having the pad nearby isn't a huge issue.

@Shadowlink

Ugh. I freakin' read EVERYTHING that people write around here. Whats with the belittling?

Like Pogue, I've "kinda had it" with the waggling. If the option is "shake your wrist" vs. "press A a bunch," I'm going to press A a bunch. Thats essentially a case closed for me right there. Add in "ok, how would you like to have ANOTHER controller in front of you that you don't actively touch, but you can pause and change to it to do one thing and change back when you want to," I'm not going to do that either.


WEIRD: DIFFERENT SETUPS IN GAMES BECAUSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS. WOW.

It's a little clunky to have all those controllers around, but it's really the only way to play if you want to nail the Platinums in some of the tougher stages. The amount of control the IR aiming affords the player is invaluable when you want to throw 3 Pikmin here, 2 there, 5 on that wall, 1 on that cherry, etc within a short time. It's miles ahead of analogue aiming! All must try the Nunchuk with this game.

@PogueSquadron

There's not really "waggle controls". You do have "dismissed" assigned to shaking the Nunchuk, but that's a fairly uncommonly-used move, at least compared to Mario's spin in Galaxy. The idea is that you hold the Wiimote/Nunchuk and have the GamePad in your lap or set on a table or something near you. It's a little clunky but it works for the ideal Pikmin 3 experience. The Pad is very useful for the Go Here function.

Mr_Mustache said:

@Shadowlink

Ugh. I freakin' read EVERYTHING that people write around here. Whats with the belittling?

I dunno, what's with the disparaging of control style you won't even try?

It's ok to like different things. It's a little silly to claim you like one way better than another if you don't even know what the other way entails (which you clearly don't)

@Shadowlink

..Because I played Wii Remote + Nunchuck for an entire generation, and used the Classic Controller or CCCPro (COMMUNIST STYLE) whenever I could. Wii made me yearn for the days of the GameCube controller. Yeah, Remote and Nunchuck is ok for the Wii (for some games), but I DON'T think it is a coincidence that Twilight Princess is my least favorite Zelda. Would I have liked it better had I played on GameCube? Quite possibly.

--For someone who is telling us (or rather, "telling me") how foolish it is to like something way better without even experiencing anything else, I do believe you need to re-examine your views on Australian Pizza, et al.

@Mr_Mustache

You mean the pizza you haven't tried and spent a week dumping on because you took a joke between me and Zero way too seriously?

Yeah you're right, you do need to reexamine your views.

@Shadowlink

I've eaten pizza from all corners of the US (except for the Pacific Northwest), the stuff in between and above as well. No, I haven't eaten Australian Pizza, and I probably won't.

You seem to suffer from this..hypernationalism. I don't know if that runs in the veins of every Australian (Lord knows you'd dump on anything "Adelaide," as I've learned), but its a few steps above "Patriotism." Its not necessarily a good thing.


This all stems (today) from Greg (a BRAND NEW PIKMIN PLAYER) asking which setup would suit him best. You're saddling him with THREE things to keep track of in addition to the on-screen action. You've played the 1st and 2nd games, he hasn't. Gui and T-Bun mention how that setup is almost mandatory if you're going for Platinum on the Challenges, and I have to believe that they might be two of the best Pikmin Challenge players in the world. I'm sure they're better than me, and I like to think that I'm not too shabby myself.

What they're doing is definitely not "entry level" stuff.

Mr_Mustache said:

You seem to suffer from this..hypernationalism. .

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Coming from you of all people, that is hilarious.

As for the control issue, Wiimote is the best, no question. You can prefer your sub-par setup if you like, but don't try to argue that it's better. You're wrong.

@Shadowlink

I cheer for Germany in the Winter Olympics, and I was born and live in America. Wrong already.

There is nothing "sub-par" about it; just because you aren't good at it doesn't mean that its wrong.

Guys, I'm sure both control schemes have their merits. I'm not for or against either, that's why I asked to begin with. And it's not like Gui is the first person I've seen prefer those controls, IIRC Nintendo first demoed the game at E3 a few years back with those controls instead of the Game pad.

And then, I can always switch if I'm not feeling those. Options are good!

Technically the wiimote+ IS superior. You can actually aim farther away from your character than with standard wiimote or dual joystick.

Stach does have a point where a pikmin virgin may have a tough time juggling everything. I would suggest wiimote+ w/out paying much attention to the WUG until you get used to the controls.

@Mr_Mustache

You seem to be operating under the misconception that you flick your wrist or use motion controls in some way to throw Pikmin. You don't, you tap A exactly the same as on the Gamepad. The only time you use motion controls is to leave Pikmin behind (aka dismissing them).

@Jargon

I tried explaining that to him.

But hey he knows better than someone who has actually used the controls apparently. Who am I to argue with a being of such natural wisdom?

@cooliocuneo

That's basically what I do, I keep forgetting about the tablet. I might use it a couple of times a mission searching for stray Pkmin or reminding myself of where I need to go, but I'm primarily focusing on the Wiichuck.

On a video I watched of someone platinuming a really hard mission, the person was using the GamePad. So clearly, it can't be that bad. But I definitely find aiming with the pointer more natural, and with my setup (the GamePad on its stand, on a TV tray in front of me), it's just about the perfect way to play.

Don't you have to shake the nunchuck while locked on to an enemy to swarm? That was the only thing I disliked about the wiimote/chuck setup, but if there's an alternative method to swarm, then I'll be damned.

Jargon said:

@Mr_Mustache

You seem to be operating under the misconception that you flick your wrist or use motion controls in some way to throw Pikmin. You don't, you tap A exactly the same as on the Gamepad. The only time you use motion controls is to leave Pikmin behind (aka dismissing them).

Man, if only Tim had said that way back when, it's almost like a stupid fight could've been avoided.. Thanks, buddy.

Shadowlink said:

I tried explaining that to him.

WHERE.

You only said "you give the nunchuck a little shake." And so on.
You very easily could've said exactly what Jargon said back on Page 16: problem solved, and helpful, too.

Try context Bucko.

Shadowlink said:

And what 'constant flicking of the wrist'?. You give the Nunchuck a little shake sometimes to dismiss Pikmin.

It doesn't take a genius to get from that to you ONLY SHAKE A LITTLE BIT. Why would I question your erroneous assumption of constant shaking if there was *any* constant shaking in the game? I specifically told you, NO SHAKING, apart from dismissal.

You know how else we could have avoided this stupid argument? I'll give you a hint:

Shadowlink said:

@Mr_Mustache

Look, you should actually give the controls a try, give yourself an idea of what is actually involved instead of just assuming things are bad.

It's easy enough to switch. If you start using the WiiChuck, it switches you, press a button on the tablet you back to the tablet. Pretty cool actually.

See if you had just taken my advice, instead of switching into Stubborn Mustache Mode where you continue to argue from a position of self-imposed ignorance, (not to mention dredging up previous pointless and unrelated arguments), maybe you could have learned something useful, as opposed to just looking silly like you do now.

@Shadowlink

Thats the nunchuk being shaken. What is the WiiRemote (one that usually need Wii Motion+ inside of it on the Wii U..you know, for excessive, accurate movement) doing? Just sitting there?

Yes, I stubbornly went and turned on my Wii U and ONLY PLAYED PIKMIN 3 the entire last day. I guess when Tim says "jump," I'm supposed to say "how high? and is that with Wii remote and nunchuck, or can I use the GamePad?" I have Pikmin 3 out of my "active" set of games right now. I DID play a bunch of Dr. Luigi though.

As ""silly"" as I may look, someone who I have a sordid past with was able to calmly and accurately tell me that I was operating under a misconception, which I was. and tell me in complete actuality how it worked. Perhaps you should take a slice of advice. As hard as you're typing over there, I'm really not sure what you're trying to Win and/or accomplish.


Have a great day.

Mr_Mustache said:

Thats the nunchuk being shaken. What is the WiiRemote (one that usually need Wii Motion+ inside of it on the Wii U..you know, for excessive, accurate movement) doing? Just sitting there?

Really? You thought the Wiimote was being shaken to *unload* Pikmin at the same time as you *aim* Pikmin? Forgive me, but I assumed you would have seen the obvious problem with that setup. Clearly I gave you too much credit. Which is why I was focusing on discussing the issues you actually raised:


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

So then you have to hold something in each hand, and then use ANOTHER controller, too? How is that better??

Apparent misconception: That you think you have to juggle Nunchuck, Wiimote and Tablet all at once.
My attempt at informing you otherwise: You hold the Wiichuck, and PAUSE to use the tablet when needed.


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

I don't want to flick my wrist constantly. No thank you.

Apparent misconception: That you have to flick your wrist constantly (Note that you never explain why.)
My attempt at informing you otherwise: Pointing out that the only wrist flicking AT ALL is using the Nunchuck to dismiss Pikmin.


Misinformed assumptions: Mr_Mustache said:

'Or you can tap tap tap A. I'd rather do that then shake the nunchuck for 15 seconds or whatever. How do you unload 60 guys at once?'

'And "a little shake sometimes;" although I haven't experienced it myself, I feel that is probably a tad misrepresentative'

Apparent misconception- That you have to keep shaking the Nunchuck ..
Attempt at informing you otherwise- Okay no attempt. Because I already explained that you give the nunchuck a quick shake to get rid of all your guys. At this point I incredulously question this 15 second figure you've pulled from nowhere. And I realise that trying to explain things to you is kind of pointless because you're ignoring what I'm saying, and simply substituting your own assumptions. Which is ridiculous because I've used the controls and you haven't. So I just suggest you use the controls yourself- A fair suggestion, and one any reasonable individual would take on board if they were truly interested in learning how it worked.


Misinformed assumption: Mr_Mustache said:

I'm picturing something INCREDIBLY cumbersome.

Apparent Misconception: Incredibly Cumbersome.
My attempt at informing you otherwise: See your first assumption at the top of this post.


At this point its clear that you're ignoring everything I say, and the thread descends into petty bickering. Strangely enough, nowhere amongst it do you state your assumption that you toss Pikmin individually by shaking the Wiimote. Kudos to Jargon for figuring that out.


As for what I'm trying to 'accomplish', it's all part of my never-ending (and apparently futile) quest to encourage you to actually go beyond your preconceived notions and learn about the things you're arguing about. That way you won't end up 'vehemently disagreeing' about something you've "never used" and know nothing about, and we all avoid arguments like these.


And that's my advice to you. Feel free to ignore it as always.