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So... how do you like Wii U's odds now? [roundtable]
 
'Cause it sure seems like Nintendo is poised to prove all the naysayers wrong again. It feels like something's in the air. People seem more than ready to buy a new system, and the price seems to be palatable, at least to the savvy gaming consumer. Pre-orders are selling out incredibly fast, which will build hype and demand to stratospheric levels, especially if mainstream news starts reporting it and hyping up TVii. Even if NintendoLand doesn't have QUITE the viral impact of Wii Sports, it'll slowly reveal its charms, since it's a pack-in to the preferred model. Nintendo is also launching with at least one guaranteed megaton game (which looks to be of incredibly high quality, as well), so that should keep the early adopters happy. The Wii U version of BLOPS 2 might just be the best one, due to the sharper graphics and individually-screened co-op. That game will also get users going online right off the bat.

The launch window lineup doesn't necessarily have the most raw quantity, but I think it shows some breadth in both the family-friendly and not-so-family-friendly categories, and there are some guaranteed hits/future classics mixed in among the dark (Ubisoft) horses. That, along with the building hype, should serve the system well and keep it hard to find, at least until the inevitable post-launch drought. But suppose, just suppose that third-party publishers also see these clear indicators early this time. And suppose that they decide to add Wii U to their multiplatform plans. It could alleviate the usual drought. And if we further suppose that these publishers actually want the money of these savvy, spendthrift early adopters, they could even support the system directly! Or continue making multiplatform PS3/360/PC/Wii U games a bit longer, to the detriment of Microsoft's and Sony's upcoming offerings.

That still seems like a bit of a longshot, if we're talking about American publishers. Their current planned lineup could definitely be better. But for Japanese publishers, green lights and dollar signs should be all they see when they look at the Wii U. Having Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest as honored guests at the inauguration party will make for a pretty good fucking time for all.

Regardless, the short-term success of the system seems all but guaranteed to me right now. You know, this would be a REALLY opportune time to pick up some NTDOY...

Although it already went up, like, 11% in the last three days.

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Posted: 09/16/12, 04:55:40  - Edited by 
 on: 09/16/12, 05:00:34
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@Zero
I don't know about consumers in general, but many gamers do care about tech and graphics, and hardcore, enthusiast gamers are usually early adopters of consoles. The average consumer probably just wants what looks fun or novel, which is why Wii Sports and Wii Fit were such huge successes.

I agree that 3rd Party support is going to be a huge deal, it's yet to be seen if Wii U is powerful enough to play next-gen games so there's no point proclaiming doom and gloom now, but I'm very worried.
Posted: 09/18/12, 23:40:22
All indications are that it can run UE 4 in some form. If third-party games sell, publishers will have them ported even if they have to get outside teams to do it. If no one buys anything but Mario and fitness/music games, support will dry up pretty quickly. So really, I think the amount of support it gets is up to the people who buy the Wii U more than anything.
Posted: 09/19/12, 00:00:41
@DeputyVanHalen

If the Wii U current "Wanted" list in the database is any indication, we're heading right for what you're talking about:

From the Database thread
(# of people who 'Want' it - Game Name)
25 New Super Mario Bros. U*
21 Pikmin 3
17 The Wonderful 101
15 Rayman Legends*
11 Nintendo Land*
11 ZombiU*
10 Lego City Undercover*
08 Assassin's Creed III*
06 Batman: Arkham City: Armored Edition*
06 Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
05 Aliens: Colonial Marines*
05 Tank! Tank! Tank!
04 Darksiders II*
03 Mass Effect 3*
03 Wii Fit U
02 Bayonetta 2
02 Project Cars
02 Scribblenauts Unlimited*
01 Little Inferno
01 Runner2
00 007 Legends
00 Call of Duty: Black Ops II*
00 Injustice: Gods Among Us
00 Just Dance 4*
00 Marvel Avengers: Battle for Earth
00 Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge*
00 Skylanders: Giants


I mean, if we/you WANT those other games, like Ninja Gaiden, BLOPS, shooters, Bayonetta 2; say so!
Right now it looks like a Mario-Pikmin runaway, with 101-Rayman hanging on dearly.
Posted: 09/19/12, 00:23:34
Out of the launch window games, the ones I see publishers judging the market on are Assassins Creed 3 and BLOPS 2. Batman and ME3 I could see being attention grabbers if they sell well, but I think most of the publishers are realistic enough to know better with old games. But if it looks like everyone who buys the Wii U either doesn't care about any of those or bought the 360/PS3 version instead, I think the Wii U is going to get screwed out of a lot of support going forward.
Posted: 09/19/12, 00:41:58
Posted: 09/19/12, 01:00:03
@Infinitywave I sure hope so, I'm down pretty far on what I bought mine at.

Hmm, it has gone up about 2 bucks since the conference, not bad. It seems investors liked what they heard, if nothing else.
Posted: 09/19/12, 05:25:56  - Edited by 
 on: 09/19/12, 05:27:33
@Zero

Skyward Sword, Kirby Return to dreamland, Xenoblade, The Last Story and... Rhythm Heaven Fever?

I passed on both Kirby and Skyward Sword. I'm not a fan of kirby games. And Zelda seems to have suffered a devolution of sorts. A lot of reviews (and reports from users from this forum) say its fairly similar to Metroid but I don't think I want that in Zelda. Furthermore, It's a lot more linear and padded, so I just passed on it. I just bought Xenoblade since I heard many good things about it, although it's just sitting on my shelf (I haven't played it yet). I still want to get the Last Story. That looks like a very solid title. With that said, I'm probably going to wait until I can get my hands on a wii u pro controller since I don't really like the one for Wii.
Posted: 09/19/12, 06:06:24
@Tranquilo

I can nitpick Skyward Sword to death, but at the end of the day it is still a very awesome action-adventure game... and really one of the very few to ever live up to the promises of the motion controls on the Wii in the first place. You should definitely get around to it when you are experiencing a dry spell or something. Top 10 Wii games, no doubt.

Xenoblade is still on my list of games to eventually pick up, but I just don't have the time right now. I am already sitting on more unfinished games than I can believe (many of which will no doubt remain that way), so jumping into a massive RPG probably isn't going to go too well.
Posted: 09/19/12, 06:42:15  - Edited by 
 on: 09/19/12, 06:42:50
@Tranquilo

Has it been confirmed that Wii games can be controlled on the Wii U with the Wii U Pro Controller?
Posted: 09/19/12, 06:45:01
@Tranquilo I... haven't heard anyone say Skyward Sword is similar to Metroid? In what fashion?! Personally I think certain parts did de-evolve, but others greatly evolved, and overall it was pretty amazing. I feel like anyone interested in Zelda at all should at least check it out.
Posted: 09/19/12, 07:10:50
The word is "regressed".
Posted: 09/19/12, 07:14:18
@Zero

Probably the overworld set up- The three distinct & unconnected areas. A lot like Prime 3.

Not a bad thing in and of itself IMO, but the areas themselves didn't lend themselves to exploration anywhere near as much as OOT/TP/LttP/LA/OoA/OoS....

Yeah.
Posted: 09/19/12, 08:55:25
@Zero

Watch the gametrailers review.

@Hinph

It's in the top ten Wii games, no doubt, but that's not much of an accomplishment in hindsight. I'm pretty sure is a really good game, but I very much doubt it's an awesome experience. Maybe one day I'll buy it but I have other games at the top of my wishlist right now. Hell, I still haven't played Twilight Princess and I don't feel like I missed much.

@GameDadGrant

I don't think there has been a confirmation. I just assumed it would be logical for every game that supports classic controls to have that option,but then again this is Nintendo we're talking about.
Posted: 09/19/12, 09:17:15  - Edited by 
 on: 09/19/12, 09:25:56
I still don't feel that WiiU has the buzz about it that Wii did. I think it will take longer for the casual market to understand the console.

Personally I'm really hyped. The launch line-up looks great to me, and I can't wait to try the system at Eurogamer in a couple of weeks.
Posted: 09/19/12, 14:25:34
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