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Retro Game Club Discussion Thread - 09 - Kid Icarus [community]
Gui came down with a case of Lazy Bum so he asked me to make this thread while he recovers. Wish him well!

The following brave centurions have sworn to fight and die (mostly die) in the service of great Palutena:

Only one mighty warrior has served a tour in the Underworld and was man enough to re-enlist. They call him @anon_mastermind!

And special thanks to @kriswright for his excellent survival guide! Check it out if you want to keep your death count under four digits!

Add the game to your collection, start it, and discuss your experience!

List of Awesome
This list is reserved for people who have played the game. Seriously, that's it! Just play it and yuk it up with us and you'll be awesome! We're not desperate for participants or anything!
@CPA Wei

List of Awesomer
Playing the game is okay, but beat the game to be even awesomer!
@nate38 - Score: 255200 - Time: 5 hours, 0 minutes
@Shadowlink - Score: 428400 - Time: 7 hours, 17 minutes
@CPA Wei
@sirmastersephiroth - Score: 244700 - Time: 1 hour, 47 minutes
@kriswright - Score: 699600
@Mr_Mustache - Score: 734300
@Guillaume - Score: 610000 - Time: 3 hours, 30 minutes
@roykoopa64 - Time: 2 hours, 49 minutes

Also, don't forget you can pre-order Kid Icarus: Uprising from participating retailers in the U.S. to get 3D Classics: Kid Icarus for free! That way, you can participate in this month's Retro Game Club! I recommend Amazon.com, as you can get release-day shipping for just a buck! A BUCK! It's madness!

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Posted: 03/07/12, 01:57:19  - Edited by 
 on: 05/23/12, 05:36:03
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I can't read your spoiler yet! And what do you mean by "Strength?" Is that how many Arrows we have? I think I'm on 4. I'm back to being somewhat normal colored, after being Green and Albino-ElectricPink. If you're talking about Health stuff, I'm at 5. I had 5 after walking around 1-4 getting Hearts for Mallets for like 3 hours.
Posted: 03/22/12, 01:09:44
@Shadowlink 4 strength AND all those centurions!? Wow. I never got past 3 strength and didn't bother with centurions after they were pointless against the first boss...though I guess I never died against the two other temple bosses, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

As for Medusa, I found a spot near the left part of the screen where I could just float and shoot the eye and never get hit by anything. Lucked out lol.
Posted: 03/22/12, 01:11:12
Curses! I had a "Top Ten Tips For Beating Kid Icarus" feature planned and everything. That's what I get for disappearing, though.

Anyone interested in what I already had for it? An abridged version?
Posted: 03/22/12, 07:58:17

Sure why not. It'll be interesting to see what I figured out for myself and what would have made the whole thing easier. Besides, only two of us have finished so far, so surely someone would have use for it .
Posted: 03/22/12, 08:56:22  - Edited by 
 on: 03/22/12, 08:58:33

I could use them.
Posted: 03/22/12, 13:32:43
Posted: 03/22/12, 15:06:02
I just put probably 4 hours into polishing it up - 4 hours, might I add, with a Carpal Tunnel flair up in my mousing hand that's causing me a lot of pain - 5 minutes from finishing. Seriously. I was just doing last minute edits. And I just lost the whole article in a brown out.

This article is cursed. It's the second time this has happened while trying to write this thing - It's why I stopped working on it the first time. And we don't get many brown-outs here. And it's a clear day outside, so there's no cause for it.

I'm seriously angry about this. ARRRRRRGH!

Any chance Zero can institute a "Save For Later" button or something? On those Top 10 articles, it's very hard to cut and paste my work into a word processor to save because there are 10 separate textboxes rather than just one big one.

Phew. What a waste of time that turned out to be. I'm going to go ice my hand.
Posted: 03/22/12, 20:17:52
Here, before I go, I'll post the raw Top 10 list for you guys in the Retro Game Club with some quick notes. Hopefully you can figure out what I'm talking about and it helps a bit:

10. Don't Worry About The Mallets - The centurions are a good idea, but the implementation isn't great. All the bosses are so easy that hearts are more useful.

9. Kid Icarus: The First Game With A Morality System? - Basically, you can use the second controller to get cheaper items. If your Strength is 1 level above the current World Map, press A+B on the second controller to intimidate the shopkeeper into lowering his prices. Doesn't work on the Black Marketeer, though.

8. Farm Yourself Some Hearts - I had a bunch of tips for heart farming, but I can't go into all that, now. In the early stages, it's worth it to take it slow, though, and farm hearts. You can also use the Healing Water in Fortresses as a home base for farming in nearby rooms. One of the requirements for the best ending - the one where Palutena falls in love with your rocking Adonis bod - is full hearts. So it's worth it to fill up at some point.

7. How To Train With Zeus, You Weakling - So training with Zeus can be brutal. But if you duck down, just left of center on the platform, very few panels will actually hit you. Pay attention to the trajectories and quickly dodge or kill the ones coming toward you, and you can get out without being hit at all. Almost always worth training, unless you're literally one sliver away from dying.

6. Stay Away From This Little Prick - Pluton shows up to steal your Zeus items in two levels.

More annoying than the Duck Hunt Dog, I assure you.

You can't shoot these guys, so get ready to dodge. If you see gravestones, Pluton is nearby. Which means he's probably a graverobber as well as a pickpocket.

5. Make Sure The Eggplant Wizard Throws Flyballs - The EW's throw their eggplant projectiles in one of two trajectories, either low and slow or high and fast. High and fast is much, much easier to dodge. So, if you come across them, exit and reenter the room until they're throwing at the high-fast trajectory. Then go for the lower wizard, when you see an opening. He should be throwing well over your head at that point and should be easy to kill.

4. Need Money? Learn How To Cheat The God of Poverty - The treasure room isn't actually randomized, and there's a method where you can decode where the God of Poverty is. Check out the Kid Icarus Shrine for details. Look under "How to Crack the Code of the Treasure Rooms".

3. The Kid Icarus Rule of 4 - Bad guys tend to come in waves of 4, and a new wave won't come until you've killed off every member of the previous wave. And a heart from an enemy counts as an enemy. So there are instances, particularly in the vertical platforming, where you can use this to your advantage, particularly if your life is low and you want to fight as few bad guys as possible. You can kill 3 enemies and just kite the last one, since dodging 1 is easier than dodging the next wave of 4. Or you can kill them all, but intentionally not collect the last heart to give yourself some extra enemy-free time. There are a number of minor uses of the rule of 4. Keep it in mind, particularly when your health is low.

2. Make Pit Stick Like Spiderman - Personally, I think this is the most important raw gameplay technique, and failure to do this probably accounts for a huge amount of the frustration players have with Kid Icarus. You'll notice, Pit tends to have a little momentum when he's moving forward. He'll take an extra step when he lands, which can lead to "I'm Finished" a lot of the time. But you can actually cancel Pit's momentum. The most reliable way is probably pressing Up whenever Pit is about to land. He'll go into his Up-Arrow pose and, as a consequence, stick to the floor the moment he lands. Personally, I'm more in the habit of canceling Pit's momentum by simply pushing the opposite way I'm jumping right as I'm going to land. So if I'm jumping from left to right, I'll push the left arrow, just as I'm about to land. Part of me feels the Up Arrow technique is probably more reliable, but the important thing is to know you can cancel the momentum by using one of these techniques. Try them both out and decide which one works for you.

1. Read the Manual - Am I the only one who never read the manual as a kid? Seriously, you need to know what the items do before you go into a shop. Just buying some random item because it looks cool is a waste of your money. While this game is not quite as dependent on the manual as Zelda, 5 minutes of reading it will save you a lot of wasted energy down the road.

Anyway, I had a long, hopefully entertaining version of those that is now lost to the evils of electricity. Hope these help. I'll clarify if anything comes across as vague.

Also, a plug for "The Fall of Kid Icarus", because I spent a lot of time on it.
Posted: 03/22/12, 20:42:34  - Edited by 
 on: 03/23/12, 00:08:31

Thanks, buddy!

Has it been said here yet? Not sure. The barrel allows you to hold more Potiony deals.
Posted: 03/22/12, 23:29:44

Hey, my pleasure, dude! Hope it helps.

I just had to do a quick edit - on #2 I said pushing down makes you stick like Spiderman. Actually, on second thought, I think it's pushing Up that cancels the momentum. Someone can check my facts, but I'm pretty sure about it. I've edited it, now. Sorry for the confusion.

EDIT: Actually, I just went downstairs and fired it up just to be sure. The funny thing is, pushing up really makes you stick well. But what I realize I personally tend to do is simply push in the opposite direction of my momentum. I'll rewrite that section one last time.
Posted: 03/22/12, 23:46:51  - Edited by 
 on: 03/23/12, 00:07:52
I hope some of you who pre-ordered Uprising are making good use of those 3D Classics KI codes!
Posted: 03/24/12, 21:42:20
I'll log some more on this tomorrow. Has anyone else come close to beating it?
Posted: 03/25/12, 00:22:50
I tried this game out while on the toilet. Why is it so damn hard? I made it to the second level but man this game is hard...
Posted: 03/25/12, 00:26:46  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/12, 00:30:30

Second level, like 1-2? I don't know. I'm pretty sure I never cleared 1-1 as a "kid."
Posted: 03/25/12, 00:29:29
I just finished Kid Icarus for the first time ever yesterday.

It's a good game. Not great but I felt it was a good game overall. Unlike most other games at the time that featured upgrades and power ups only within an adventure game or RPG context Kid Icarus did it in a stage design concept. While that's commonplace nowadays it was quite rare back then.

I don't find the game as hard as most other people said though. I finished the first world with only two deaths. One pitfall to my doom and another during the fortress level. I found the fortress levels to be the hardest part of the game, and even then it's only because of the Eggplant Wizards.
Posted: 03/25/12, 00:37:29
I am finally able to join this thread. I just bought the 3D Classic version from Gamestop. I have the Wii VC version but I really wanted to play the 3D Classic version.

I'm on Stage 2-1 right now. The game is fun but dying can be a real bitch, since you lose all your hearts and have to restart from the beginning of the stage. I'm also prepping a review for the 3D Classic version. I'll put it up on the Contributor Room.
Posted: 03/25/12, 07:10:35
I'm at Stage 2-3. Just suffered a triple combo attack by 3 Plutons who stole all my hard earned treasures. Bastards!
Posted: 03/26/12, 01:13:16
@sirmastersephiroth Yeah those guys are infuriating. So many wasted hearts...
Posted: 03/26/12, 02:16:14
@nate38 I didn't even notice if I had any hearts stolen.

I just passed 2-4. Beating Hewdraw was easy because the Centurions really made it a cinch since they have long range arrows. I didn't lose a single one and I didn't get hit once either. I am currently on 3-1.

Edit: Just passed 3-1. It's extremely short.
Posted: 03/26/12, 04:14:37  - Edited by 
 on: 03/26/12, 04:21:49
@sirmastersephiroth Nah, I just spent quite a few hearts on upgrades, only to have them stolen minutes later. Almost as infuriating as the Eggplant Wizards.
Posted: 03/26/12, 04:21:46
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