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Nostalgia Goggles (I WANT TO SLAP THEM OFF OF PEOPLE) [roundtable]
 
So I was in Anatomy/Physiology lab today, and one guy in my group noticed what was on my shirt:



He asked, "Hey, is that a metroid?"

I said, "Yeah"

He said, "Cool, Super Metroid is one of my favorite games."

"Mine too! :D " I said.

At this time, I'm thinking, 'Holy crap, a Nintenbro at my college! I should introduce him to Neg-'

"Way better than those new first person shooter Prime ones."

...




SO THAT GOT ME THINKING...

Do nostalgia goggles cause a lot of bias towards newer games in a series?

FOR EXAMPLE:



DISCUSS!!!

Note: I love both Super Metroid and Metroid Prime. I actually enjoy the 2-D Metroids more and think Super Metroid is better, but not 'way better' as the guy smugly said.

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Posted: 08/24/11, 20:28:54  - Edited by 
 on: 08/24/11, 22:32:58
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@GameDadGrant Well... nothing has changed, but enough has changed to make it kind of weird to go back to the early ones instead of a modern one. I dunno, it's tough to explain what I mean, but certain franchises and styles and genres to me lend themselves better to going back to than others. Like, I LOVED the original Smash Brothers (I didn't even find out until later that it was Melee that got most people hooked) but would I recommend it now? Nah, because it has basically been surpassed in a way to make the original kind of pointless at this point.

So maybe Parappa doesn't quite fit into that since it doesn't have tons of follow-ups, but as a genre I sort of feel about it the same way I feel about the original Smash... that you can find stuff now that is basically the same thing but better. I feel the same way about some other genres too. Like, it'd be tough for me to go back to an old racing game now, unless it was some totally unique racing game, because I feel like, for the most part, newer racing games contain everything good about old racing games and then some.

Still, Parappa did have awesome music going for it. Maybe I'll check it out eventually. Never played Gitaroo Man.

@Guillaume Sort of, but I think action/adventure games have the advantage of at least having different items, puzzles, moves, enemies, etc. The rhythm game genre doesn't have very expansive gameplay.
Posted: 08/25/11, 06:12:47  - Edited by 
 on: 08/25/11, 06:15:10
@kriswright

Super Metroid or Super Mario Bros. 3? Honestly? Maybe! Those games are awesome, and I wouldn't judge anyone for saying either of those are the best game of all time. (or at least saying it's their favorite of all time)

Also... maybe I'm confused, but I thought I was agreeing with you on Ocarina place? Like, I agree it shouldn't be defaulted as "the best" but at the same time, I completely understand why many gamers/Nintendo fans believe that. Which is what I think you are saying too. If not... then I'm really confused!

@Zero

Yeah, other games have done music/rhythm better/differently. But how many of those other games have a song featuring a rastafarian bullfrog rapping about having to use the bathroom?

Also, you should totally check out Gitaroo Man. That game rules and handles the music/rhythm input method differently than any other game out there. Plus the soundtrack is amazing.
Posted: 08/25/11, 06:29:57
@Mr_Mustache I think Mode 7 is pretty cool. I don't think it's the best game or anything, but Hyper Zone for the Super NES is pretty neat, and it's a Star Fox-esque Mode 7 shooter.

@Zero @GameDadGrant
Posted: 08/25/11, 07:21:14
BTW, I can't be the only one kinda creeped out by that model's incredibly veiny arms...
Posted: 08/25/11, 07:36:23
@Guillaume

My arms are actually kinda like that since I'm so scrawny.
Posted: 08/25/11, 07:40:07
@Guillaume

Twilight Princess did nothing better than OOT
Posted: 08/25/11, 08:23:44
@Jargon

Complete rubbish.

You could run while swinging your sword in Twilight Princess.
Posted: 08/25/11, 09:36:24
I believe that Metroid Prime and Super Metroid are both great games. I'm in an interesting position here, having played Prime a whole lot more than Super Metroid at the time Prime came out. In fact, I had only played like 5 minutes of Super Metroid in the SNES during the 90s. I played hours upon hours of Prime as soon as it came out and over the years, and I have still not beat it. I always lose interest halfway. When I bought Super Metroid on the Wii VC, I played it for hours on that day and finished it the next day. I never lost interest in that game. It just clicked with me the way Prime never did. It was so much more fun.

So without any nostalgia goggles for Super Metroid or Metroid Prime, I find that Super Metroid is the better game.
Posted: 08/25/11, 09:36:41
@Zero
@GameDadGrant

DragonQuest / DragonWarrior has not aged well.. And I love 8-bit games.

@X-pert74

Mode 7 is cool in moderation. If Secret of Mana was 100% Mode 7 instead of just the Flammie parts, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. I never really thought about it, but I think that my brain really doesn't like Mode 7. Its unnatural!

I physically returned F-Zero brand new (the only game I've ever returned after buying it), and I just remembered how much I HATE the top-down boards in Contra III. Pukeamania!
Posted: 08/25/11, 09:36:41  - Edited by 
 on: 08/25/11, 09:38:36
Jargon said:
@Guillaume

Twilight Princess did nothing better than OOT
Renjaku said:
@Jargon

Complete rubbish.

You could run while swinging your sword in Twilight Princess.

And on horseback.

Combat overall in TP was way better than OoT. The hidden sword skills were awesome.


That being said, OoT still remains the Greatest Game of All Time
Posted: 08/25/11, 11:00:44  - Edited by 
 on: 08/25/11, 11:30:43
@Mr_Mustache You'd probably appreciate that Contra: Hard Corps has no Mode 7, haha
Posted: 08/25/11, 11:28:05
@Mr_Mustache

Heathen. Mode 7 was, and always will be, the greatest graphical trick/gimmick in history. And at least it actually existed unlike a certain console feature. *cough*blast processing*cough*
Posted: 08/25/11, 13:09:27
@X-pert74
@chrisbg99

Hey, I just don't want ENTIRE games in it, and thats what Playstation looks like to me. I appreciate it sparingly.

--Perfume is good on chicks, right? That doesn't mean I want to work in a perfume store.
Hell, even walking by Abercrombie & Fitch makes me gag. And it smells bad, too (zing)!
Posted: 08/25/11, 13:22:13
Yeah, I think that's actually why I could never really get into F-Zero SNES as well. But that said, when the game has a mix of it, it's very enjoyable. Zipping around in an airship in FF3 was always awesome. And I actually really liked those top-down Contra III stages. Much more than the old "base"-style levels.

@Mr_Mustache
Haha, well played.
Posted: 08/25/11, 16:01:54
Yeah I don't know if Paleo's original example is necessarily nostalgia....a huge argument can be made that Super Metroid is better than Metroid Prime. It's faster paced, the music is arguably better, the world design is arguably better, etc. It's also tough because Metroid Prime is kind of older now (Its 10th anniversary will actually be next year).

Now, if he had said something like, "Why doesn't Nintendo make Mario shows anymore? The Mario Super show is so much better than the shit kids have these days," then I would say there's some nostalgia at work, haha. Or something like "Final Fantasy 7's graphics are still amazing, and they kicked the shit out of anything on the N64."

It's also a tough call because Super Metroid is one of the best games of all time. If he had said that he loved Super Metroid and he thought that Other M was garbage, I wouldn't have thought twice about it.


Also, as an aside, we used to joke that the Mode 7 sequences in Secret of Mana reminded us of our local news channel's doppler radar, haha. It was the first game I played where the Mode 7 REALLY zoomed out so you could see a lot.
Posted: 08/25/11, 20:24:23
@PogueSquadron

Yeah, I agree. Super Metroid I think is the overall better game. Prime is incredible, no doubt, but pretty much everything it does, Super Metroid already did in 1994. Just in 2D.
Posted: 08/25/11, 21:14:14
@PogueSquadron

Like I said before, it's just the way he said it. Overall, I think Super Metroid is better too, but I wouldn't talk bad about Metroid Prime.
Posted: 08/25/11, 21:16:32
@PogueSquadron

I forgot about it zooming out so much. I just remembered it being like the Final Fantasy III(US) airship deal. Good call.
Posted: 08/25/11, 23:28:29
@Mr_Mustache Hard Corps is a Genesis game though. It should really be on the Virtual Console, but Konami seems to have abandoned it a loooong time ago.
Posted: 08/25/11, 23:49:26
@X-pert74

If I were Konami, I never would've stopped with my staple franchises, ever.

Life Force 17 and Blades of Steel '12, motherf'ers!
Posted: 08/25/11, 23:50:50
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