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Beloved Games you Hate [roundtable]
 
Much like every other entertainment medium in the planet, every video game save for a few exceptions I could probably count with my two hands, has a consensus attached to it - everyone either loves it, hates it, or something in between. That's because gamers usually expect something specific out of video games, and products either deliver or they don't. However, at the end of the day, we're all different, and sooner or later we're all bound to not follow the general consensus at some point, and video games are no exception.

I made this a roundtable so we can hopefully get some good discussions going, and be baffled at some of our fellow board members' choices. I'm sure some of you will be dumbfounded even at this OP.

So, post games everyone loves and you hate. Of course you can do any amount of games you want, and include descriptions only if you see fit. You can also add games you acknowledge to be well made games, but just aren't for you. Also, feel free to include games everyone hates and you love, I just didn't make that part of the main topic because it's not that common for that to happen. When games are generally considered horrible, it's usually because they're just not well made from a technical standpoint - no one can stand horrible cameras, textures, frame-rates or glitches abound. But if you can find an example of this, go ahead.

This should be good. Also, sorry if it's been done before. I don't remember if it has. Anyway, I'll start.

I Hate:

Kid Icarus

I hate this game. Granted I didn't play it in its entirety, I was fed up with it far before the final stretch of the game, but I completely disliked what I played of it. It stole the Metroid engine and made me go around in very generic looking stages attacking enemies with lame attacks. And constantly scrolling upwards (I know not the entire game is like this, but still) is so annoying in 2D a platforming game like this.

Animal Crossing

I had never played Animal Crossing until a few months ago. It didn't look like my type of game at all, so I steered clear. In what seemed like a call from destiny, a friend of mine recently let me borrow City Folk and said - here, you have to play it. You can't go on with your life until you play Animal Crossing. So I did. And, wow. What the hell do you do in this game? Seriously, though, I can see how people could get into this game. It's a good simulation game, and I can definitely see the Nintendo touch. I can feel it, almost. But the game bored me to no end. I put a couple hours into it and I never wanna see it again. Everyone says all Animal Crossing games are the same, so I feel I am entitled to say I hate the entire series.

Zelda II

I'm not completely alone on this one, I know, but it's still generally regarded as a good game. It's not a fun game at all. It's comprised of all these different "pieces" that ultimately don't add up at all. Towns, overworld with RPG-esque battles, experience points, AND side-scrolling gameplay? It never comes together, it's terrible. It doesn't help that it's extremely hard. But you know what's even harder? Finding a reason that justifies actually beating this game. Fuck it.

I hate the following more than the rest...

Gears of War

I should clarify before I begin, I haven't played the second one. And I don't want to. As for the first one, I played a substantial amount of the campaign and a bit of multiplayer, too. The multiplayer's alright, it's well designed, the problem is it has to work within the confines of the design of the game (of course), so... it sucks. First of all, the game is gray. I don't care what you have to say - it's gray. Yeah, it has some beautiful textures, but it's so unappealing to look at. I know people often complain about this in realistic HD games, but Gears is easily the worst offender in this aspect. So you already have a raised eyebrow from the minute you fire up the game, and then you start to play it. Your character moves like a tank (the "worse than Leon S. Kennedy" variety of tanks), the environments all look the same (of course) and are like 2x2. You have to take cover constantly and fire generic weapons at generic aliens. Yeah, it's a third person shooter which is kind of original, but it might as well have been an FPS, it's hard to tell the difference honestly. "Stop 'n' pop" doesn't make a shooting game more strategic - it makes it more boring.

And there's soon to be THREE of these games! Damn! Gears represents everything that's wrong with this generation of gaming (it only needs a 99 cent iOS game and we're golden), and people love it.

I'll post more games if they come to mind. Looking forward to your responses!

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05/21/11, 20:02    Edited: 05/21/11, 20:07
 
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I don't really hate it, but the Majora's Mask club has reminded me of what I consider to be the kind of revisionist idea that it's so much better than Ocarina of Time. The game has it's moments, but it's gotta be one of the least accessible big games of all time, very un-Nintendo like.
05/24/11, 15:52   
I actually really enjoy reading this thread even though it's by it's nature very negative, people's personalities are really coming out.
05/24/11, 16:05   
Edited: 05/24/11, 16:19
@Dapper Dick
Play MH3!
05/24/11, 17:40   
@Jargon Revisionist for some, but I liked it more at the time. Part of it was lowered expectations (OOT actually disappointed me a bit) but the main part was it had so many complex secrets based on day/time, it felt so... dynamic, like the things you did really affected the world. Never played anything like it, before or since.
05/24/11, 18:13   
Edited: 05/24/11, 18:13
Kingdom Hearts. (Check out my rant back when it was fresh on my mind!)

I do not simply hate that game, I think it's objectively terribly designed. The critical and popular reception baffle me. Never before I played that game would I have ever thought that graphical quality and presentation could blind gamers so much to undeniable and, IMO, fatal, faults.
05/24/11, 21:18   
Edited: 05/24/11, 21:29
@Guillaume

I'm with you there Guillaume. I played the first one for a little bit I think I made it to the area after the Alice in Wonderland stage and I was bored out of my skull. The only incentive I had to keep playing was to see which characters were going to show up next.
05/24/11, 21:23   
Woah woah woah woah woah... I'm going to agree with Stephen08 (and Guillaume) here. Weak controls, terrible partner AI, tons of fetch quests, unclear goals, convoluted stage designs, gummy ship, bad mixing of Final Fantasy / Disney styles, Mickey's big ass head, yada yada. There are games I don't get into because they're not my thing but I can see why they get so much praise (lots of FPS/etc.) but Kingdom Hearts was a style and genre I often like and I came into it fully expecting to love it, yet the game behind it just felt broken on so many levels.
05/24/11, 21:26   
Edited: 05/24/11, 21:27
@Jargon lolol, revisionist? I've always preferred Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time

@Guillaume I still feel like playing Kingdom Hearts for myself before I pass judgment on it, but being that it features Final Fantasy X characters, I'm not feeling too optimistic about it.
05/24/11, 22:05   
Yes, Kingdom Hearts does indeed suck ass. As does Dark Cloud, the other supposed 'Zelda-killer'.

I didn't mind 358/2 Days, though...
05/24/11, 22:08   
I still like Kingdom Hearts, but I swear, they need to shake the series up. Every game is just blending together. Same worlds, same enemies, same music, ugh.
05/24/11, 22:09   
I liked Kingdom Hearts, at least at the time. It's no Zelda-killer, though. And I probably liked the Disney cameos more than I should have.
05/24/11, 22:11   
@X-pert74

Well obviously I'm not talking about every individual case. There has been a general movement though to say that Majora's Mask is the better game and that it's always been so. Personally I think the fact that WW and TP shares so much in common with OOT whereas MM is quite different has added to that.
05/24/11, 22:13   
@X-pert74

Agreed. Count me in the same boat that has always preferred MM.
05/24/11, 22:19   
@Anand

358/2 Days got real old, real fast for me. I beat the game, but I have no desire to pick it up again. Ever.
05/24/11, 22:35   
@ludist210
Haha, well, I just played it for a couple of hours. It isn't my favorite game, or anything. I liked the grid-based power-up system, though.
05/24/11, 22:51   
Zero said:
Woah woah woah woah woah... I'm going to agree with Stephen08 (and Guillaume) here. Weak controls, terrible partner AI, tons of fetch quests, unclear goals, convoluted stage designs, gummy ship, bad mixing of Final Fantasy / Disney styles, Mickey's big ass head, yada yada. There are games I don't get into because they're not my thing but I can see why they get so much praise (lots of FPS/etc.) but Kingdom Hearts was a style and genre I often like and I came into it fully expecting to love it, yet the game behind it just felt broken on so many levels.
You're forgetting about the camera too. Worst camera I've ever had to deal with in a game. I thought they used the Disney license pretty well though. That's what kept me playing pretty much.
05/24/11, 23:14   
@Anand

Yeah, it works and adds an element to the game. Still, the missions got incredibly repetitive about halfway through (though the game isn't particularly long).
05/24/11, 23:20   
@Zero

I agree with the dynamism thing. I always felt that Majora was *truly* a 4-dimensional game. Not like Chrono Trigger, where you could only go to a handful of pre-determined dates. But a game where it was (almost) technically possible to experience every location in the game at any particular time within that 3 day window. You can stand in one place and just watch the world move around you on it's own schedule, instead of having it be permanently stuck in place (or on a loop).

Ok this *mostly* applied to Clock Town (and a lesser extent the outlying regions), but it was still really cool. It's like the NPC's lives had a purpose of their own, they weren't just waiting around to interact with you.

EDIT: I still like Ocarina of Time more. Nyah.
05/24/11, 23:32   
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@ludist210
Repetitive? What are you talking about? Eating sea-salt ice cream never gets old!

Repetitive? What are you talking about? Eating sea-salt ice cream never gets old!
05/25/11, 18:24   
Oh and racing simulation. It's so boring to me. But, I've never really been into cars.
05/25/11, 19:43   
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