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Retro Game Club Discussion Thread - 03 - Ninja Gaiden [community]
 

Ninja Gaiden. What can I say about Ninja Gaiden on the NES? The original NG in the arcades (also available on the Virtual Console) was a beat-em-up in the same vein as Final Fight, in which you played as Ryu Hayabusa, a ninja with an arsenal of three different moves and who could only use his sword for a limited time after grabbing a power-up. Awesome, right?

Tecmo didn't seem to think so either. And so when it came time to bring the game to the NES, which had no hope of ever running a decent post, Tecmo decided to instead make a completely new original game, an action platformer instead of a brawler. The game has a strange resemblance to Castlevania: close range weapon, sub-weapons activated by holding up when attacking, having to hit candles or lanterns to find these weapons and ammunition... even the HUD bears a resemblance. But Ninja Gaiden is a much faster-paced game, and its hero is much more agile: he can run, change direction mid-jump, grab on walls and, if you are dexterous enough, climb them.

The game has a reputation for being balls-hard. The "problem" here is that as agile as Ryu is, the enemies are not limited to close-range weapons and some of them, such as birds and bats, are even faster than the hero. Plus, they respawn immediately should you backtrack even a millimeter when you kill them. But victory is nonetheless possible, if only by memorizing the levels as you get pushed into the omnipresent bottomless pits over and over again.

Oh, I almost forgot: the story in this old NES game is actually worth talking about. Ryu is not on a quest to save a princess from some villain, but is trying to elucidate the mystery surrounding his father's death. This story was told through cutscenes which were simply amazing at the time. They were detailed, well directed, and full of intrigue. Negative Worlders, you may just play through this game for the story.

Then again, you probably won't.


Why not add Ninja Gaiden (NES) or perhaps even Ninja Gaiden: Arcade to your collection, and indicate you are currently playing it?


List of Awesome:
X‑pert74 (beat the game overnight!)
ludist210 (beat the game also overnight? What's going on!?)
TriforceBun
Jargon
Guillaume
anon_mastermind
Paleo_Orca
Rebonack
CPA Wei

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Posted: 04/29/11, 08:40:34  - Edited by 
 on: 10/27/11, 08:06:55
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I FINALLY DID IT! I BEAT NINJA GAIDEN! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

@TriforceBun

Thanks for the advice! I carried over a lot of Ninja Power from 6-2 because I was so used to the levels, and found a way to get past those enemies at the end, so I ended up having around 99 points of Ninja Power while at the boss. :P
Posted: 05/08/11, 23:44:52
Congratulations on beating one of the hardest NES games, Paleo!

Speaking of one of the hardest NES games, I just started Ninja Gaiden 3. I never noticed before how the controls and sprites are different from the first two games. In a way, it's something of an improvement--Ryu feels slightly floatier and the knockback is toned down even more. But at the same time, it's definitely (IMO) the hardest of the series. The Japanese version was manageable, but for the US, they decided to make it much more difficult. For starters, no infinite continues. And worse yet, every enemy does at least 2 damage, with most doing 3, 4, or more! It leads to a lot of quick deaths after the second act and things get ridiculous even around the halfway point. Hopefully I can make better progress now than I have in the past...
Posted: 05/09/11, 06:19:58
@TriforceBun

You're a beast, Bun!

I'm at Act VII-2 in NG2. Jacquio is pretty tough. And so is his stage.

I don't really have any more observations to add...

So, Bun, other than the double damage and limited continues problem, how's NG3 in terms of level design?

edit - Also, I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by the List of Awesome! Can't believe we've got this many people who beat the game, and I can believe even less than I'm among them! NG has always had this reputation of being unbeatable. I'm really glad you people nominated it and voted for it after all.
Posted: 05/09/11, 06:49:11  - Edited by 
 on: 05/09/11, 06:53:09
ARGH. I am reminded why I quit NG3.

So in addition to extra damage and limited continues, there's a difference in respawning. In NG1 and 2, when you die, you're sent to the beginning of a room (4-2-B), and when you get Game Over, you're sent to the beginning of the sub-stage (4-2-A). In NG3, death--even against bosses--brings you to the beginning of a sub-stage, and Game Overs bring you to the beginning of the world (4-1). On its own, this is already pretty rough; imagine running through something like 5-3 then fighting Malth all on one man.

Then imagine that everything does almost double damage.

And you only get five continues.

This is pretty much a good idea of what NG3 gets like. Granted, with normal damage and infinite continues, I imagine the game would probably be easier than the first due to the lessened knockback and improved respawning. But it DOES have all that stuff, as well as a ridiculous amount of enemies onscreen in the later levels (compared to the Japanese version) all making for a game that I'm stunned isn't more infamous for its difficulty. It's one of the hardest games I've ever played!

The level design itself is more on the "gimmicky" side like Ninja Gaiden 2, with some pretty good variety. Personally, I like that approach, and there's still plenty of combat to go around as well as a couple new control mechanics (like hanging from ledges). The story starts off kind of intriguing and just gets silly.

I'm currently at act 4 (keep dying against the boss) at 3 credits, and I'm taking a break for tonight. Whew...

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention, but I did finish NG2 a couple days ago (can that be edited into the list?). Overall, I'd say it's somewhat easier and slightly less frustrating than the first game, but it definitely has some tough challenges (I had to do the last stage quite a bit before finishing, for instance). I generally like most of the additions to the game and it's slightly longer too, which is a plus.
Posted: 05/09/11, 06:58:17  - Edited by 
 on: 05/09/11, 07:00:47
How many people do we have playing anyway? Has everyone who was going to beat the game, beat it? People in that other thread said doing the RGC every 3 weeks would be even better than once a month. What do you guys think, should we jump to another game next Friday?
Posted: 05/09/11, 06:59:03
How did I ever miss this thread? Are you folks playing 1-3, or just 1? I used to be able beat 1 and 2 quite easily after years of playing them, but I haven't tried again in about 4 years.
Posted: 05/09/11, 07:06:28
@Guillaume

I'm for it. Count me in.

EDIT: I urge everyone to vote for an easier game this time though. x_x
Posted: 05/09/11, 07:07:20  - Edited by 
 on: 05/09/11, 07:08:31
Hmm, maybe I'll wait before putting up a new poll. I just went through the thread, and (face_applause) @ all the participation here!

@rebonack
@sirmastersephiroth
@GelatinousEncore
@Zero
@chrisbg99
@Shadowlink
@kriswright
@chrisguy
@nate38
@gamewizard65

How are you guys holding up?


@helaciouscrumb

As many as you feel like playing, I guess. Usually the club is really just about the one game, but this time several of us got started on NG2 while waiting for the next Retro Game Club. You got a week or two ahead of you.
Posted: 05/09/11, 07:17:00  - Edited by 
 on: 05/09/11, 07:26:56
@Guillaume

Perfect, starting now!
Posted: 05/09/11, 07:21:58
@Guillaume

Well, I guess I WILL start the game submission thread today, aiming for a new RGC this Friday.
Posted: 05/09/11, 19:43:18
@Guillaume I'm getting terribly angry and frustrated, but oddly enough it's just making me want to finish the game more. I've gotten to the second form of the final boss, so I'm aiming to finish it sometime this week (hopefully).
Posted: 05/09/11, 19:47:39
@Guillaume

I haven't had a chance to play in about a week or so.

My wife and kids are going to be out of town tonight. So, I should have the chance to do some damage this evening.
Posted: 05/09/11, 20:16:45
@TriforceBun
Oh God NGIII sounds like a nightmare. How the hell could they remove the unlimited continues, it boggles the mind...
Posted: 05/09/11, 20:18:24
I think I'm gonna cave and start playing Ninja Gaiden 2 tonight, despite the fact that I should be focusing on finals. The original really didn't me that long to beat I guess, so it shouldn't loom over my life too long.

By the way, three cheers for Gui for setting all this up. Hip Hip Hooray!
Posted: 05/09/11, 22:21:12
I actually never got around to re-starting the game. I came very close this weekend but decided I didn't want to deal with Act 6 so I played Recettear to kill some of my backlog instead of forcing myself to beat Ninja Gaiden again.

I MAY YET GO FOR IT THOUGH
Posted: 05/10/11, 01:35:29  - Edited by 
 on: 05/10/11, 02:06:00
I actually just ran through 6-2 without dying. Pretty impressed with myself imo. Of course, that's because I've played it 600 times...

Any advice for the second form of the boss? I'm hearing use the fire wheel...
Posted: 05/10/11, 01:43:38
@rebonack
Yep, fire wheel and you can dodge his attacks by moving left, then right or vice versa. If you run out of ninja power, do a quick jump on the middle platform and slash him.
Posted: 05/10/11, 01:45:27
I finally beat the second form. I ended up doing it the "cheap way" and using the spin attack... as if that's cheap, because it's a pain in the ass to keep it until you get to the end. Now I just need to beat the third one...
Posted: 05/10/11, 05:22:25
Okay, so I've reached what (I think is) the final act of NG3. I lost all my continues and now must start over. But I think I've figured out a good way to play the game: CAREFULLY. NG1 and 2 make you hard-wired to rush through a lot of segments because of the ridiculous respawn rate and plethora of pits. NG3, however, doesn't have the enemies respawn. So the trick there is to actually hit and run when things get too hairy--retreating a bit becomes a viable option! After I realized this, things went fairly smoothly for awhile and I was able to make a good amount of progression.

I do have to start the whole game over now, but morale is high.
Posted: 05/10/11, 07:22:11
The enemies don't respawn at all!?
Posted: 05/10/11, 07:30:47
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