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Nintendo fans that seem to hate the 3DS? "It's just a gimmick" discussion [roundtable]
 
Now that the 3DS is out, and I've seen it for myself. (Though I haven't seen most of what it has to offer yet, I'll be seeing that this Friday when my friend brings over hers with SSFIV.) I thought we would talk about those who are skeptical about the 3DS... our fellow Nintendo fans that seem to cry out, 'It's just a gimmick!' and don't feel the same way most of us do about the system.

It seems like the 3DS is facing the same problems the Wii and DS had during their launches. Both the DS and Wii were called gimmicks, but yet they both held up and are two of the highest selling consoles/handhelds of all time... yet... people seem to not remember that.

I was watching T.V. with my friend the other day, the launch day of the 3DS, and a commercial for it came on. I started talking about the capabilities of the system and my excitement for it... and for some reason, he became hostile... angry... and I have no idea why, because he's a huge Nintendo fan like I am...

What is it with this hostility towards the 3DS?

Is it the price? The time of launch?

I'm not sure if you guys have met anyone who has this unwarranted hatred towards the system, but I've seen at least two cases, and I've seen a few on the gamespot forums, but those are usually self-explanatory.... though there are still some from Nintendo fans.

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03/29/11, 23:08  
 
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@ObscureMotives I don't think it has to come down to possible versus impossible though. 3D can definitely help with depth of field, which could make platformers much different. Even Pilotwings Resort... landing a rocket on a target in the middle of the air used to be super tough to judge, now it's obvious. 3D definitely affects the gameplay there.

Whether this is a big deal or not is up to you, but it makes it more than a gimmick.
03/30/11, 09:50   
stephen08 said:
My disinterest is purely a result of the launch line-up. I think the system itself is fine.

this.

and, like I said before, just like in films or HD games 3D (like any other techniques) is just a tool. sponsoring a system because of a tool = gimmick

On the contrary, the wii was not a gimmick (yes, some of the games used waggle as a gimmick) but the system itself delivered since day 1 (wii sports is way superior and revolutionary than any of the 3ds games combined, in my opinion.

it's a though subject. I did not buy the 3ds and probably won't until mario (I might even pass on OoT, believe it or not, until the second generation 3ds comes out.

I agree with those that say that, just like apple, you never buy first generation nintendo products (interestingly, i didn't uy a 3ds until the lite came out)
03/30/11, 10:51   
I have not seen that Nintendo fans hate the 3DS. In fact, from what I can tell the general consensus is that the 3DS is the most balanced piece of hardware that the company has released in a while when it comes to satisfying both the expanded and core market.

As for 3D being a gimmick, I don't think it is. What's plagued 3D so far is the fact that it has required glasses to work correctly. If viewing TVs in HD had required glasses too, it would have experienced the same adoption problems and "gimmick" accusations.

Viewing games in 3D has the potential to impact gaming far more than HD. Many of the games most popular on consoles today dont even in run in true 720p, and most gamers dont even notice or care. Does that mean HD is a gimmick? Of course not. Having put a few hours into my lovely new 3DS, I can honestly say the 3D feels fantastic - a genuine improvement on standard 2D displays. If this experience was available for regular TVs without the need for glasses or certain viewing angles, it would be standard by now, just like HD.

The Wii gave birth to modern motion controls, but it was a crude implementation that was quickly improved by Motion+. The 3DS is a much stronger argument for 3D displays than the Wii was for motion control, and look at how the Wii has transformed game controls. 3D will become standard for most small screens mainly used by just a single person.Mobile gaming will be transformed and the NGP will be born obsolete.
03/30/11, 11:34   
Edited: 03/30/11, 11:35
ObscureMotives said:
3D isn't the obvious next step in tech, as much as everybody would want you to believe.

THE UGLY TRUTH: distance perception is way more relevant to improving games than high resolutions.
03/30/11, 16:18   
Edited: 03/30/11, 16:20
You guys have pretty much already said what I was going to say. 3D can offer some genuine, palpable upgrades to video gaming. The question is: Will any companies allow a game to rely heavily on 3D, since not everyone can see it?

(HD offers some genuine enhancements, too, by the way, like object recognition at a distance.)
03/30/11, 16:50   
@Renjaku

Indeed.

Plus, it just looks fantastic, period. Purely aesthetically, I'd say seeing the 3DS for the first time is at least as impressive as the first time you saw an HD game.

And this is from someone who's basically only see the 3DS's menus and AR games. My games should arrive today...
03/30/11, 17:09   
@Renjaku

THE ACTUAL TRUTH: it greatly depends on the genre, and for a large portion of games 3D is going to be as beneficial as HD, maybe even less. Like Street Fighter.
03/30/11, 17:22   
@stephen08

So, for 2D games 3D isn't that beneficial. No shit.

But saying it won't be "for a large portion of games" is a lie. Most games coming out today ARE 3D.

It's true!
03/30/11, 17:24   
@Pandareus

You are right! Like racing games! And Sports games! And shooters! And platformers!


Ok well maybe platformers.
03/30/11, 17:31   
Street Fighter should have stuck to sprites.
03/30/11, 17:33   
I don't get it. 3D would be beneficial in all of the above. Not as much as for platformers, sure, but still beneficial. There is a huge difference between having to guess where things are and KNOWING where they are.

/EDIT Oops Simba already said it.
03/30/11, 17:35   
Edited: 03/30/11, 17:35
@Zero

HD would be beneficial in all of the above too. For any game in fact.
03/30/11, 17:41   
I wasn't saying anything about HD. I don't think anyone said HD isn't beneficial though?

achhibbar said:
Viewing games in 3D has the potential to impact gaming far more than HD.

anandxxx said:
3D can offer some genuine, palpable upgrades to video gaming. ...
(HD offers some genuine enhancements, too, by the way, like object recognition at a distance.)

Pandareus said:
Purely aesthetically, I'd say seeing the 3DS for the first time is at least as impressive as the first time you saw an HD game.

Sounds more like people are saying something more akin to "it's up there with HD" or whatever. Not really sure who you are disagreeing with here.
03/30/11, 17:52   
Probably me. I didn't exactly give high res props. I don't think it's 'up there.'

edit: I even came close to xbobing ps3/360 to negate anand's comment.
03/30/11, 18:06   
Edited: 03/30/11, 18:14
HD sucks. All it adds is a dragon.

3D adds THREE DRAGONS. What do you think 3D stands for?!
03/30/11, 18:14   
@Zero

Conversely, I don't think anyone said 3D isn't beneficial.
03/30/11, 18:29   
@stephen08

Your point is real muddy, you know that? The way you phrase it and the examples you use... I mean, just how beneficial was HD to Street Fighter 4?

Really, I got no idea what you're trying to say. Smells more like a weak attempt to stir up some shit, and I don't know where it's coming from. As if the very idea of HD were being attacked in this thread...
03/30/11, 18:32   
@Pandareus

It's not muddy at all. It's the same point ObscureMotives made last page.

Wouldn't be a complete without an inaccurate back-handed accusation from you though, so thanks for that.
03/30/11, 18:37   
I think I'd be a lot more receptive to HD if every HD TV I've played on hadn't given me noticeable lag (even with good cables). As long as there's lag, I'd prefer to just play in SD, honestly.
03/30/11, 18:38   
That is an issue with the TVs, rather than HD, though.

@stephen08
Okay, let's just break it down.

HD aside, Stephen, do you or do you not honestly think 3D could potentially enhance gaming at all?
03/30/11, 18:40   
Edited: 03/30/11, 18:41
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