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@Jargon

You don't being think surrounded by rival fans might make for tension? What's a big American rivalry? Red Sox and Yankees? (Where's Mustache to help me out?) If a Yankee fan was in the middle of a bunch of Red Sox guys, would that not be awkward?

We had a similar thing last year when we went to see State of Origin II. One lone Queenslander decided to plonk himself in the middle of the official NSW Blues supporters zone. Made for an interesting night


@Guillaume

That's just it, *we* already know that. It's a cricket thing. American's probably don't, for the same reason.


Hence why I was curious to see how this ad fits into your stance on the validity multiple viewpoints. It clearly shows how viewing things through an entirely different cultural prism can radically change the perceived message.


@J.K. Riki

If they wanted to do that they need to bring back the Fillers . 9 inch chicken sub, cheese, spicy sauce, jalapenos. Drool.

Gone the way of the Ribwich. Bah.

@Shadowlink

Well the Ribwich went away because it is a disaster of a "food" product and they discovered the only way to get people to buy them is to offer them once every few years to play off people's innate fear of missing out on limited things.

@J.K. Riki

But the fillers *are* good. The Fireball ones anyway. Nuts to the other flavours.


Too good for this sinful Earth.

sandwichgate

Shadowlink said:

@Jargon

You don't being think surrounded by rival fans might make for tension? What's a big American rivalry? Red Sox and Yankees? (Where's Mustache to help me out?) If a Yankee fan was in the middle of a bunch of Red Sox guys, would that not be awkward?

Its completely awkward. I've been an Orioles fan in a sea of Yankee fans (in Baltimore, go figure). Lou and I went to an Arena Football game in Albany, and the entire game things were thrown at us. Food, pennies,..cigarettes, for some reason. And if you happen to be a Giants fan at a Dodgers game, theres a good chance that any amount of free food won't help you out and you leave on a stretcher.

Zero said:

sandwichgate

I've been thinking about this lately; isn't it dumb that everything is "__________gate?" #DeflateGate #GamerGate Obviously its a play on WaterGate, but what if the big Nixon hubbub didn't occur at the Watergate Hotel? What if it just happened to be at a Knights Limited, a Ramada Inn, or a Double Tree?

#GamerTree That sounds ridiculous.

Haha, I hate the "-gate" suffix. Watergate was just the name of the hotel, and for some reason, pasting the back-half of the hotel's name onto things makes it into some sort of scandal. It's bizarre. Like, what if it was at the Hilton? Would it be Gamerton? Deflateton? Megaton?

@TriforceBun

Clin-Ton.

End Communication.

Personally I would like to see some sort of controversy happen between the owner of Microsoft and a company that manufacturers the doors of fences. GategateGate.

Or maybe a hooplah between one of the judges on The Voice and a fruit company specializing in malus domestica. Christina-AppleGate.

These things practically write themselves. Would make for a fun Jeopardy category.

EDIT: Also the world is a dark and terrible place.

@Shadowlink

It might be awkward if the other fans are giving you a hard time. In the commercial, no one is. I went to a Bears game wearing a Vikings jersey when they were playing the Vikings and I got a couple of comments on my way in but once I was in my seats, the game passed without incident. Probably because people were busy watching and having fun, like in the commercial.

@Jargon

This is true. Ironically had they chosen to *actually* portray the situation as awkward (showing *angry* fans) you probably would have gotten even more complaints for the negative portrayal used.

I guess they were expecting the viewer to sort of extrapolate the *potential* awkwardness.

Shadowlink said:

@Guillaume

That's just it, *we* already know that. It's a cricket thing. American's probably don't, for the same reason.


Hence why I was curious to see how this ad fits into your stance on the validity multiple viewpoints. It clearly shows how viewing things through an entirely different cultural prism can radically change the perceived message.

Yeah, a different culture leads to a different perception. But it's clear in your posts that you don't believe they're equally valid: one of them has more context.

It's kind of beside the point, anyway. I wasn't arguing people can't interpret things differently. I was arguing against harasser and harassee's positions being equal. Victims and the people denying their lived experiences. I used the kind of examples I did for a reason: holocaust survivor vs denier, black person vs white supremacist.

@Jargon

My fellow Bills fans spilled beer "accidentally" on my dad in his Niners coat, and kicked his back the entire game.

@Guillaume

How do you feel about black panther vs. white person? Just curious, because this is the 2nd time you've used the white supremacist thing.

@Mr_Mustache The fact that you think "black panther" and "white person" are the two opposing sides here is very interesting.

More accurate would be "black panther" and "established government / police". They didn't get into it with random white people. They did fight with the authorities a lot though, and there were killings on both sides there.

@Zero

Well, I know the culture's thoughts on "white cops" nowadays.

Good thing Chris Christie will have their backs. Someone has to.

Guillaume said:

]Yeah, a different culture leads to a different perception. But it's clear in your posts that you don't believe they're equally valid: one of them has more context.

That's kind of the point I think Dave was trying to get at. *I* believe. But the Americans who were complaining believe that *their* viewpoint is valid, and *mine* invalid. What if some American decided that because 'Australians can't see the 'obvious' racism'' in the ads that we didn't deserve a 'seat at the table' to discuss the ads?


Now i'm fairly certain we don't have some sort of independent arbitrator to determine what is valid and what isn't. All we can do is make our own individual judgements, and maybe come to a group consensus. Easy enough to do in the massivly polarised black and white examples you've listed, but as the issues get murkier it becomes more difficult. That's when one side deciding that they and they alone can determine 'who gets to sit at the discussion table' can be fraught with danger.

At least that's the message I took from what Dave was saying. I guess I'll leave the rest to him.

@Mr_Mustache Which culture's thoughts on white cops?

Think very, very long before answering this one.

@Shadowlink A more fitting example would be if the Australians made up their own definition of racism that had nothing to do with racism and everything to do with attacking everyone they didn't like, and then demanded everyone they were attacking give them a platform to push their made-up view of racism.

@Zero

Silly, this is the Internet. Thinking long before responding isn't welcome here. You know that. Like this sentence I'm typing now, I didn't even think about it boobs butt supergirl is a stupid show before writing it!

It's important to note that there is no fucking table. GamerGate is free to make their points, the rest of the world is free to ignore them. I interpreted Zero's "table" comments as saying that no one has to take what GamerGate has to say seriously, not that they shouldn't be allowed to say it.

@Mr_Mustache

That's too bad. Too bad the Bills fans weren't just minding their own business by dancing and playing music like in the commercial.

@Zero

The Culture of Today's America. A lot of people think that cops are the worst thing ever, completely corrupt, super-racist, and just planting evidence everywhere. But then you've got situations like Baltimore where some people think its OK to trash the entire city "because of cops," despite what their mothers think, going down to the riot and telling them to get their asses home (theres video somewhere of that; start with "Mother of the Year" and see what that yields). Someone is definitely wrong there, and its not the innocent businesses being looted. And who do you call to get things under control? The same cops that the riot has been started in reference to.

I've been to Baltimore multiple times, I LOVE the city, met some GREAT people there (in person, not text on the internet). But that was just horrendous. I heard stories before I saw any footage, and the words didn't do the videos justice. What went on..was not "ok."

@Jargon

Yeah, it really was. Put a couple beers in some people and who knows what might come out. My dad yelled at them and then it didn't happen much after that. "Weird."

@Jargon Well, my table comment was more about their specific demands to be given "debates" and such... often with the media, journalists, etc. but they also do it to individuals a lot too. A large part of what Gamergate IS is a movement that demands people listen to them and "debate" their ideas with them.

Obviously I have no objections to them creating their own sites to push their message. I think their sites are dumb and their message is dumb, but I'm not going to try to get them shut down.