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Official game database thread for new games in the database, reviews, etc. [community]
 
Hey guys, I decided to make a thread to call attention to one of our major features here, the Game Database. I'll probably bump it from time to time to let everyone know about new hot games that have been added that you can add to your collections or rate.

First, let me explain a few things about rating games and adding them to your collection. Everyone (yes, even you -1ers!) can rate games and add them to your collection. This is a pretty simple process. Go up to the menu above and select GAMES -> Game Database, or just CLICK HERE. You will see a list of titles you can browse, and you can also search for specific titles with the search feature at the top, and even add games you can't find with the little bar at the top right above the search functionality that says "Submit a Game (keywords)". To add a game to your collection you check the box under "Owned" next to the game, and to rate it you select a number under "You" (you can add without rating and vice versa, if you want to). You can do one game or a whole page at a time, and when you are ready to submit your collection and ratings updates, click the "CLICK TO UPDATE THIS PAGE OF YOUR COLLECTION AND RATINGS" bar that can be found at either the top or bottom. Simple!

You can also rate games and add them to your collection from the individual game pages that you access when you click on any game from the main game page. For instance, if you were on the Mario Party 6 page there is a box in the top right where you can add it to your collection or rate it and click the "PUSH" button to update.

Now, let me explain something about writing game reviews. Again, everyone (yes, even you -1ers!) can write reviews for the site. This is a pretty simple process. Like before, go up to the menu above and select GAMES -> Game Database (or just CLICK HERE. Select the game you want to review (you can use the search at the top to find games quickly) and click on it. Near the top right of the page for that individual game you will see "Add a review" with a little plus next to it. Click the plus, write your review, choose a score (or not, if you don't like scoring reviews) and submit. Easy as pie!

And don't worry about not being formal enough, or sticking to a specific review format, or whatever. As long as you can write a paragraph or two and put your thoughts into a semi-coherent form, everything is good. Also, reviews of older games are totally acceptable, for instance I recently posted a WarioWare: Twisted! review of mine that I wrote like 6 years ago or whatever.

Alright, that's all I have for now. Use the features guys!

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Posted: 06/03/10, 21:11:41  - Edited by 
 on: 05/11/12, 21:42:57
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Simbabbad, would you support mixing dual versions of Pokemon together (Diamond+Pearl, Ruby+Sapphire, etc.)? They're essentially the same game, but with the only major difference being what pokemon you can catch in each version.
Posted: 11/19/10, 00:13:31
Honestly, the main reason I'm against mixing together certain SKUs is the cases range from obviously could be combined to probably shouldn't be combined to all kinds of shades of grey in between, and how do you make these decisions, or more importantly, stay consistent when the cases aren't straight-forward? Mixing once would start a precedence that would require making a bunch of executive decisions on what gets combined and what doesn't.

It would also require continual managing of the database, having to always be on the lookout for new Pokemon / Battle Network / Virtual console / whatever other games are like this and making sure they all get matched up correctly, and I'm kind of against the idea of needing to manage the database all of the time (other than removing duplicates, which is unavoidable.)

@Simbabbad Isn't the actual database not filterable by 10+ ratings though? In theory the user could kind of mentally filter them out themselves, but that's not so easy.

PS. Secret_Tunnel rating Skyward Sword which isn't even out yet... I think that deserves -3,000,000 XP.
Posted: 11/19/10, 00:19:55  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 00:22:57
@Simbabbad Do people read guidelines though? Remember, in order to avoid issues we don't just need "most" people reading guidelines, we need them all reading guidelines. It still amazes me how many people are confused about how to post polls or reviews even though we have the text within the posting box. I think, in general, maybe 50% of people will actually read directions for any given Internet thingy.

And I think it is a bit premature to say there are only X amount of VC games therefore, since the theory is we want to get more and more people using this database eventually, so hopefully there will be a ton more people adding all kinds of games, VC included.

I dunno, I just feel like no matter what, it would require some managing. And it already somewhat bothers me that duplicates might exist based on someone typing the name in differently than someone else while adding a game, but that's at least kind of unavoidable management.

Plus there is still the fact that from a collection standpoint, it doesn't make much sense to choose an NES or SNES option when you own it on VC, especially when you will be choosing VC for other games not on Nintendo consoles.
Posted: 11/19/10, 00:38:22  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 00:39:03
For whatever it's worth, if I own the same game cart and VC style I mark them both as owned and rate them the same. I don't have any preference as to merging identical games from multiple platforms into one item in the database or leaving them separate, just letting you know how I approached it.
Posted: 11/19/10, 00:54:10
@Simbabbad

Ha! Good point. Same with Ninja Gaiden.

Yeah, I'm on the "let's not have VC duplicates" side. The VC label would be for VC games originally on non-Nintendo systems, and Famicom or Super Famicom imports.
Posted: 11/19/10, 01:32:58  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 01:34:15
I'm not sure, which one have you played? NES games were often VERY different from their arcade counterparts, I definitely don't think those should be used interchangeably.
Posted: 11/19/10, 01:42:08
@Zero

That's the problem. If the arcade and NES version both have the same title, are both on VC, and someone adds a VC entry for one of them, confusion ensues.
Posted: 11/19/10, 01:45:02
Well, like I said, I'm not really opposed opposed to the idea for VC since essentially VC games should be perfect ports. The only real objection I have is it kind of confuses the game collections a bit, and my OCD mind rebels against saying I have an SNES game if I have it on VC only, or saying I have a game which released in Japan only, but I guess it's give and take. I really don't like the idea of expanding beyond that though, like combining Pokemon games and ports and stuff, because then it gets messy and there are no straight-forward rules.

For that matter, would it make even more sense to list all of the current VC consoles separately? Or is that just overkill? No wait, I think I already hate that idea, since keeping them as one we can have a cool list of all non-Nintendo console VC games. In theory, if anyone ever rates them enough.

If you combine are you going to make sure all the ratings / collections transfer over?
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:00:24
If we're combining though, is there a reason to not combine imports? I mean, whether I'm playing an NES game on VC or Sin & Punishment on VC, I'm not playing it how it was originally presented, right?

Plus, technically we're a global forum. I mean, I sort of think of NA as the home base, but like half the important people here are from Europe, so it'd get kind of messy to consider one region when doing things. Especially considering Europe gets a lot of games we don't get nowadays, like... would we consider Disaster or The Last Window as imports to be treated separately? Nah, we just add them in as DS/Wii games and Europeans treat them normally even though to us Americans they are imports.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:13:35  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 02:15:16
I just think it confuses things to consider imports as a special case, especially considering I know we have a bunch of imports listed in the database already. Anand and some others have added import games, and so far we treat them like any other game as far as the database is concerned.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:17:12
Well whatever you guys decide, just make sure not to accidentally delete my DoReMi Fantasy review along with the Great NegativeWorld VC Apocalypse of 2010.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:17:24
Technically the host backs up the database a couple times a day or whatever, though I have never actually tested a restore from any of them. And considering how crappy this host is, I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to screw up the backups somehow.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:18:55
Why delete the info though? It can't be too complicated to switch the info over. In fact I've done it before, one by one, with a few duplicates I found. All it requires is changing the ids of the duplicates to the ids of the new ones in the respective tables.

And then you dump the old ones once you verify nothing is linked to them anymore.

I can do this if you can get me a list of the games.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:33:03  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 02:34:46
I think VC and Console stuff should be kept separate. They're graded as such, and owned as such. I can't imagine there being THAT much of a problem, unless you get to the point where you've got Ocarina of Time as the top...three times.

--And isn't the VC version of Mario 3 terrible? Like, it has the black borders on the screen or something?
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:48:38
@Mr_Mustache

It's the exact same as the NES version. It's your TV that's different.

BAM! Knowledge bomb IN YO FACE.
Posted: 11/19/10, 02:56:37  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 02:57:43
@Simbabbad I posted in the top secret MYSQL thread a somewhat easy (at least, for the limited amount of games) way to combine everything and remove duplicates and such without having to just dump all of the collection and ratings info for the VC games we're cutting out.

Mr_Mustache said:
--And isn't the VC version of Mario 3 terrible? Like, it has the black borders on the screen or something?

I've brought up this kind of argument before, but apparently this is a rare thing, and I think it's worth it to get the duplicates out. Besides, there is probably 1 person in the entire world who, upon only seeing 1 way to rate SMB 3, would rate the VC version and not the NES version.
Posted: 11/19/10, 03:02:22  - Edited by 
 on: 11/19/10, 03:03:56
@Pandareus

Its YOUR TV! Booooo!!

@Zero

Ah well.. I just don't want to see it get goofy.. --and I hate the fact that I'll be given "full credit" for owning Simcity or Super Castlevania IV on "SNES" when I only own them on the VC. Is there a way to distinguish? Maybe a shading? A giant thumbs down next to my score? Segregated from the other scores? Italics?

I think I'd be more open to accepting it if it had everyone's score in there under Castlevania, but then it might say "9.3 NES, 9.2 NES, 9.2 VC, 9.0 NES, 8.9 NES, 8.7 VC..." Is that too hard to do?


Just added:
1942
1943: The Battle of Midway
Aquaman: Battle for Altantis
Arc Rise Fantasia
Arkanoid Plus!
Posted: 11/19/10, 03:35:20
Zero said:
Technically the host backs up the database a couple times a day or whatever, though I have never actually tested a restore from any of them. And considering how crappy this host is, I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to screw up the backups somehow.

You could always automate a script to run that will produce a data dump file. Then you'd have to set a process up to back the file up or ftp it somewhere else.

Also, I apologize for being one of those users that didn't read how to review a game. I assumed that if I had the access to write a review it would show up within the Games menu. Now that I know how to do it I realize I was thinking about it backwards. If you had a link to write a review from the Games menu you'd need to pick a certain game before writing. The way its implemented now forces users to first pick a game.
Posted: 11/19/10, 03:51:58
@Abdooooo Yeah I know how to create data dumps, though the host is already doing that so I guess I've been a bit lazy and maybe too trustworthy.

As for the rest, it's always good to get feedback. I think its easy to just assume everyone will find everything, but maybe we need to think about what the biggest features on the site are and how to make them more obvious.
Posted: 11/19/10, 03:55:58
@Simbabbad

I don't think it should be redone, no. Ah well.
Sooo..I'm supposed to say I DON'T own Super Castlevania IV then?? I'm confusedish.


More added:
Balloon Fight (NES)
The Bard's Tale
The Simpsons: Bart vs. the World
Posted: 11/19/10, 04:01:15
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