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Do You Think We Will See a Nintendo Game With a Minority Lead? [roundtable]
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Zero said:@Stephen I definitely agree that "they're a Japanese country without much exposure to..." isn't a strong argument when they have sold internationally for like 30+ years and the majority of their sales come from "Western" buyers. At that point you really need to start talking to a wide variety of people. To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, what's the difference in you saying "Nintendo should change this to appeal to this group" and the kinds of maligned articles IGN-types kept writing in the last 3 gens that also said "Nintendo should change this to appeal to this group?" Stephen said:Even if those numbers were accurate, though, I do not see that as a convincing reason not to have more variation within their characters. Then is your complaint in this thread about not enough variety? I think this is a ridiculously varied cast of leads for a single company (well, excluding the third-parties in this case). There's a huge spread of art styles, sexes, body shapes, a mixture of humans, animals and fantasy creatures, etc. How many game companies can claim a lineup that consists of a cast as diverse as Kirby, Lucina, Villager and Mr. Game & Watch? |
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Regarding Mario, yes he's Italian, but even if you accept that as a "minority" most of the Italian-American / Brooklyn edges he had early on (and only in certain media) have been rounded out into the culturally sterile form of the worldwide icon he's become. It's kinda hard to identify him as an Italian at all anymore, name aside (and Mario isn't just an Italian name). I wonder if a Japanese kid first exposed to the character through Super Mario 3D World would even realize that he's Italian / Italian-American. Zero said:@Stephen Yeah but like I said Japan has this trend of making Japanese characters that look "Western" so it is tough to say what the intentions were sometimes. I've read that the typical wide-eyed anime character is viewed as Japanese ethnicity by Japanese people (just as white people tend to see them as white). People tend to fill in ambiguities with their own cultural experience, particularly when they're meant to identify with the character, as in anime and especially games. That's why it's easy for localizers to rename Japanese-named characters for western white audiences and people are like "Yeah, that guy totally looks like an Andy, a guy named Ryo wouldn't look like that." TriforceBun said:To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, what's the difference in you saying "Nintendo should change this to appeal to this group" and the kinds of maligned articles IGN-types kept writing in the last 3 gens that also said "Nintendo should change this to appeal to this group?" I guess that makes me Angel's Advocate? If you want to ascribe an "agenda" to them... One is an appeal to Nintendo to create characters that reflect groups of people that are underrepresented in the media (particularly video games) so that those groups can grow up feeling a bit less abnormal because they see fictional characters that reflect parts of their biology, culture, personality, etc. (and so players outside those groups can see them and maybe understand them, or at least think of them less as "others"). And one is people wanting Nintendo to make Call of Duty: Mushroom Kingdom, assuming that's the kind of thing you're talking about. Neither is necessarily a moral imperative for Nintendo as an "artist," but the former is presumably intentioned to make the world a more accepting and open-minded place, and the other is wanting Nintendo to go third-party and grow up because I'm not a baby anymore and I don't want people thinking I'm a loser because I play Nintendo games. |
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By the way, I don't know if this addresses the issue or not (since it can be argued he's not the MAIN main lead) but Nintendo does have: John Henry from Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.Like I said, this may not count since many see Henry Fleming as the *actual* main character...but John Henry is a major character in the game, the second playable character in the entire campaign...and hell, he's on the freakin' box art. That's gotta count for something, eh? Also, let's not forget about these guys from Eternal Darkness: Karim (Persian) and Michael Edwards (African-American) from Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. And again, sure these may not *entirely* count since the actual lead is Alex Roivas (does a female lead still count as "minority" in video games?). But both S.T.E.A.M. and Eternal Darkness have ensemble casts where - to be honest - no one character is really more important than the other. Baby steps, I guess. @Zero, @nate38Thank you! You two are gentlemen and scholars. |
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