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GamerGate Explained!!! [locked]
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09/13/14, 05:42 Locked 01/04/16, 01:39
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@ZeroThis is textbook behaviour for groups within any given establishment trying to protect their privileges. I know I bring this up an awful lot, and I don't want people to think I equate the two movements with each other, but the behaviour is pretty much identical to what the European fascists are doing these days. This is a third example of the same type of phenomenon, as illustrated by Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart said:I have to say, as someone who is not a Christian, it’s hard for me to believe Christians are a persecuted people in America. God willing, maybe one of you one day will even rise up and get to be president of this country — or maybe forty-four in a row. But that’s my point, is they’ve taken this idea of no establishment as persecution, because they feel entitled, not to equal status, but to greater status. Last sentence is right on the money, I'd say. |
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@Jargon Yeah your brother seems to have some nuance. But he also seems to (rightly) call gamergate out for its issues with women, which will make most of these people throw him onto the BIASED MEDIAZ side. Even though, as at least one accurately pointed out, he isn't actually part of the media. But then I think that same person just suggested that your brother was fed this version by the media. That seems to be the one underlying theme there, that anyone who disagrees with them must have been fed with false information. I got that growing up from a certain family member when I started rejecting Catholicism too. Some people just can't understand that someone else might look at the same "facts" and come to a different conclusion than they did. Or in the case of gamergate, maybe give different things different priorities? Because it seems like many who relate to gamergate will begrudgingly admit there is harassment coming from it, they just sort of minimize it and act like it isn't the point. I think a lot of them honestly don't understand why WOMEN CONSTANTLY DRIVEN FROM THEIR HOMES IN FEAR OVER VIDEO GAMES is the biggest news story to come out of this. @r_hjort Oh yeah, I know about that. Grew up in a Catholic home with a mom who has decided (or maybe more accurate is has been told by all of her newsletters) that Catholics are the most oppressed group in America. It's just so obviously not true, but that is how some feel. I actually saw, no joke, a gamergate guy seriously post that gamers are the most discriminated against group in America. What planet are these people on?! |
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@EagleC83 I dunno. His big point seems to be that Mordor doesn't count because technically Youtubers are not journalists... but my retort would be why are we excluding Youtubers from ethics in games journalism when they essentially fill the role of game journalists nowadays (and in many cases have equal or larger reach?) I'd also ask why we have drawn a box around "ethics in games journalism" instead of just talking about ethics in the game industry, period. Some of these questions answer themselves when you start to get into the true motivations of the core of gamergate. Which, really, has been one of my big issues with this gamergate mess from the start, that almost no one on either "side" really talks about, which is that gamergate wants an understanding of ethics that lets them talk about "ethics in games journalism" without any kind of broader ethical conversation surrounding it. So from their perspective they can openly support bigots who are using gamergate to push their bigotry like Milo or Aurini, but then they can say "Yeah they say and do all of these horrible things, but when it comes to ethics in games journalism, they are nailing it!" (They aren't, but that's a whole other issue.) Somehow it isn't an ethical issue to give a platform to straight up bigots because uh... it's not technically ethics in games journalism? Sorry, ethics doesn't work that way. Actually, they used this logic a lot when Milo's articles on game stuff were called out for being sloppy, incomplete, biased hack pieces, because yeah, he is a journalist writing about games but he isn't technically a "game journalist" so why are we even talking about him?! Except now that the rest of the mainstream media has jumped on this story, that argument has kind of faded, because otherwise they would need to give Salon, etc. the same free pass for not being game journalists, and we know that won't happen. Gamergate is pretty much constantly shifting, not very well defined goalposts. Then he also seems to insist that gamergate made an issue out of Mordor anyway. Well... except no, I've been following gamergate channels from the start, and they really didn't. Yes, there were some threads about it on KIA, some posts on the Twitter, but they didn't really pay even a fraction of attention to this as they do every little psuedo-controversy that gets pushed or comment Anita or Zoe or Brianna or Mattie etc. make, despite repeatedly claiming it isn't about those women. And I've mostly seen people get called "trolls" trying to "deflect from what matters" when they bring stuff like the Morder deal up anyway. Gamergate really doesn't want to lose their very narrow focus here. Which I could maybe still get behind if their focus wasn't just clearly a blind for attacking prominent "SJWs" in the industry. Literally the only thing holding together all of their wild and varied campaigns (many of which have nothing to do with game journalism, like going after academic writers or Comcept's community manager) is that they all single out "SJWs" to be attacked. I will agree on one thing though, Salon knows nothing about gaming. Anyone going to Salon for a nuanced look at something happening in the game industry is going to the wrong, wrong place. |
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From my read, his biggest point is that it isn't something that gamergate should have made into a bigger issue because Youtubers, such as himself did their "jobs like we were supposed to, abided by ethical standards, called out a shady deal that frankly was hurting traditional games press far more than it was Youtubers and got the contract terms changed to make sure it doesn't happen again." In other words, while it wasn't ignored, it wasn't made a bigger issue because it was resolved properly. He also makes the point that "Youtubers are bound by FTC regulations to disclose sponsored content and they do." And when they don't, he explains that they get called out and/or lose their audiences if they are seen as being paid shills.
I don't know who Aurini is, but I've read a few things by Milo (certainly nothing exhaustive). From the little I've read, I've seen that his rhetoric can come off as inflammatory, but what has he said that makes him a "straight up bigot?" I'm not saying there's nothing out there, I'm just not aware of it and that's a strong charge to level (if his bigotry has already been detailed earlier in the thread and I missed it, I apologize for retreading). |
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But obviously only some Youtubers did that, while others bought into it fully. And no, it hasn't been resolved, it's really just the most blatant recent offender in a trend that has been going on for awhile now. Also pointing out that regulations exist doesn't really mean much in the context of gamergate, where actual journo sites have way more regulations than Youtubers do.
If you want some examples of Milo's bigotry, check out his other articles on Breitbart. Just within the first few pages (recent first) I found an article suggesting that blacks probably commit crime more due to a crime gene, that women are "just not as good as men" at tech to justify not hiring more women in tech, an article about how the West should ban the burka, another article about how Milo is apparently worried his freaking cleaning staff are going to plant bombs in his apartment solely due to them being Middle Eastern, an article where he calls transsexuality a um... forget the term he used, but basically implying it was a mental disease, etc. Oh, and not exactly bigotry but a few articles bashing gamers in pretty severe terms, one written literally days before the Zoe thing hit where he trashes gamers and suggests violent games played a part in Elliot Rodger's killings.
And you probably don't want to know who Aurini is, but he is one half of the duo making the anti-Anita video and also, not surprisingly, a huge racist / sexist / etc. And I don't mean anything vague like "he supports the status quo in gaming", I mean he is a "race realist" and "gender realist" who has made several videos that bash blacks and women. The one I can remember offhand was "Modern women are the most decadent sluts..." and no, it doesn't get better after that.
So basically my broader point here is that I can't take seriously any "ethics movement" that supports people like these guys. It doesn't matter what weird "we only support their views on video game ethics" logic that they try applying, they are giving a large platform to huge bigots. I read somewhere that Milo gained over 10,000 new Twitter followers from gamergate, so now he has over 10,000 more people to push his bigotry on.
Ethics! |
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