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GamerGate Explained!!! [locked]
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09/13/14, 05:42 Locked 01/04/16, 01:39
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@ZeroIsn't tricking people into buying crap basically, like, the entire mainstream gaming industry? Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed, Halo 4, CoD: Dead Horse edition, Gran Turismo, every RPG that uses action-packed cutscenes in the commercials, etc., etc. And almost every big publisher is shifty, because they can't afford to have a billion-dollar AAA bomb. Ubisoft is just one example that I remembered. Warerare gave us Konami. I'm pretty sure that EA and Activision have done it, as well, although I can't remember the exact context. I mean, I feel like I'm pushing a pro-evil stance here, but I think it's just realism. Even assuming that being a good person makes you happy, or whatever, you CAN'T assign individual ethics to a corporation, unless it's led by some kind of powerful tyrant who owns a majority of shares. In your case, a benevolent powerful tyrant who owns a majority of shares. Who could that be? Hell, even Notch sold out to Microsoft. And if you want to bring up ethics, then morality is a sliding scale. Everyone can probably agree that game cases shouldn't be made out of baby seals, but you can't just copy and paste your ethics as a consumer of games over those of someone who has to run a business. Reality is compromise, and everyone has different responsibilities. The three involved parties here are: 1) Publisher, 2) Gaming Media, and 3) Consumer. They each have different constraints and goals. Here's a perspective from the oft-maligned gaming media (Youtube branch): Seems like a heartfelt message. I can empathise with him. Will I trust his opinion? Maybe, maybe not. That's my responsibility as a consumer. @kriswrightJump on board! There's room for all on the cynicism express! |
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Zero said:Well, it is directed "exclusively" towards men because men are the ones who control the industry, for the most part, and men are the ones who have created a heavily imbalanced situation. The rare sexist game that caters to women is... well, I can't even think of any, but if they exist, they're such a minimal issue because they aren't really the mainstream. Although I guarantee you that if the reverse were true... a primarily female-controlled industry with a fanbase of men that is rising every day and has met or exceeded the female fanbase in many ways... a LOT of people would be directing this towards women. Just when I thought I was out . . . Despite saying my last post in the Bayonetta demo thread was my final post, here I am. Opted to move my response over here, since people were actually trying to talk about the Bayonetta demo in the other thread again and this seemed a more natural place with no actual gaming discussion being had. I felt I should respond because I think you misread the article I (tried to) link, [/url], (I don’t know why my links never seem to work. I hit the link button and inserted it into the box that popped up), the point was that the moral criticism and claims of sexism are directed exclusively toward men and majority male entertainment fields, while no one levels similar criticism at female dominated fandoms/entertainment industries. I think you are just mistaken that “a LOT of people would be directing this towards women,” if the situation were reversed because we can see that doesn’t happen. The author of the article (which is definitely worth reading in full) gave the example of female-dominated fandoms in television. This is getting a little far afield, but I think a better example is fiction books and publishing. It is an industry dominated by women and women are 4 times as likely to read fiction as men. That seems like it should be a far bigger issue than women being less likely to play video games and the issue more likely to have a greater societal impact. Among other things, it may be one factor at play in why girls perform so much better than boys in education (another field heavily dominated by women). But in the case of publishing, the common reaction is “Men Don’t Read.” Imagine if the sexes were reversed: the publishing industry was dominated by men, men were far more likely to read, and their answer was “Women Don’t Read.” Or you can just look at what is happening in videogames.
One good article on the publishing industry/men not reading is this one. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-pinter/why-men-dont-read-how-pub_b_549491.html] I want to highlight this quote: “I was hesitant to write this article, mainly because in no way do I want to be perceived as diminishing the talents of many, many brilliant women in publishing, nor do I believe that there is a true 'gender bias'. A bias insinuates some sort of malice, a purposeful exclusion of a segment of society for selfish or ignorant reasons. Those kind of insinuations are not the aim of this piece, nor are they my opinions in any way. This is a critique of the system, not those who work within it.” Yet, when it’s men or the gaming industry, few “activists” have shown similar caution or a hesitation to claim gender bias or sexism. On the subject of #gamergate, I've notice a lot of talk about death threats and harassment directed at people that are anti #gamergate, but was surprised no one acknowledged that a lot of pro #gamergate people, including women and minorities have also been the victims of doxxing, death threats, etc. Including people having knives and syringes sent to their houses and one girl having a tweet sent with her address and commenting on the security of her windows. Some was mentioned in the prior article I linked. Another was in a recent Washington Post article, which I would link if I could find. Seems like a small number of sociopaths associating with both sides or at least using the controversy as an excuse to cause trouble. |
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It's sort of hilarious to me how gamergate tries to claim they are a coalition of both liberals and conservatives and yet every single thread of theirs has tons of liberal bashing. You can't spend 2 minutes in any GG forum without seeing attacks on feminists, "cultural Marxists", and SJWs.
But yeah, I'd be interested to know a week or two from now what kind of attention your brother got. He seemed to give them enough bones to not make them angry, but he also infers gamergate is part of a sexist culture, which is sure to rile some of them up.
I can't even read the comments from GGers seriously though. For instance, in what world is this even remotely accurate?
Basically, GamerGate said to the people in #NotYourShield that they were welcome here and that they had a choice. That's important - giving people a choice as to who and what they want to believe in.
Gamergate has constantly turned on their own over small disagreements, and they have a very, very "you're either with us or against us" approach. The weird thing though is that I think a lot of them really believe what they are saying. It's like they are living in a whole different reality.
In fact, my very point just a few posts down:
The guy is brainwashed already, unless he comes out and defends us, and directly criticizes all the SJWs, lying journos and feminazies he is worse than useless.
And another:
Either he is with us, which is not the case, or he is against us.
Yep, they sure do give people a choice as to who and what they want to believe in. |
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