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NES games on 3DS. How do you feel about having to re-buy them? [roundtable]
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Hey-oh there, Negative World. So, I've got a question for y'all. As we all know, 3DS's Virtual Console has not only classic portable games for download, but now also NES games as well. And while I'm pretty sure the topic of having to re-buy digital copies of Virtual Console games we already own on Wii has come up before in various threads, I don't think there's a thread strictly dedicated to it. I wanted to get your thoughts on the subject, how you feel overall about it, and whether or not you've downloaded any NES games yet, or plan to in the future. (Ambassador games don't count, since we got 'em all "for free" anyway) I bring this up mostly because of the recent (re)launch of Punch-Out!! on Virtual Console. I enjoy this old classic quite a bit. But I've already downloaded it on Wii - I was a little disappointed that to play it on my 3DS, I'd have to buy it on 3DS. Well, "a little disappointed" maybe isn't the right term. I was actually kind of upset about it. Like seriously, Nintendo? What is this garbage? You really expect me to purchase a game I already own? Why can't I just transfer my Wii VC library to my 3DS library? Is it really that hard? Sony allows Playstation 3 users to transfer their PSOne games to their PSP (and now Vita) and back again at no charge. Why can't you be the same?!? This is ridiculous. But then I also considered something else. Nintendo has actually given me this game ( Punch-Out!!) for free before; it was an unlockable in the Gamecube version of Animal Crossing. Maybe throwing Nintendo an extra $5 isn't all that bad - I mean, they let me play it for "free" before, maybe I can kind of "pay them back" this way? And hey. It's only $5. It's not like it's gonna break me. Right? Hrm. I guess if I followed that line of logic I could justify the re-purchase in my mind. But c'mon, it's the principal of the thing. Right? And so what, Nintendo gave me a "free" version of the game last gen, does that really give them a free pass at my wallet THIS gen? What have they given me for free this time around? Ok, well, I guess we can count the pre-loaded games that come standard on every 3DS. The StreetPass Mii Plaza's Puzzle Swap and Find Mii/Find Mii 2 are very fun and very social games that are really addicting. And there's actually a surprising amount of stuff to play with those AR cards. Even Face Raiders is more fun than I care to admit. So there are those. And I suppose we could also count the Pokédex 3D? It's not really a game, but kind of a cool app for Pokéfans. Oh! And we can't forget they gave us 3D Classics: Excitebike for free, too. And The Legend of Zelda: 4 Swords Anniversary Edition - despite the fact they could have charged us all $10 and we all likely would have bought it. .....aaaaaaaaaand I guess we can even count the redeemable codes from Club Nintendo that allow us to download games for "free" from the Wii's downloadable service, as well as the 3DS's. (yeah, they are free. Unless you're going out buying games *just* to earn Club Nintendo Coins, you're just getting rewards for buying stuff you would have bought anyway) And speaking of redeemable codes, I should also mention Nintendo's giving me 3D Classics: Kid Icarus for free next week too. Simply because I pre-ordered Kid Icarus: Uprising - again, something I was going to do anyway. So yeah, there's another free game, and it's not even a simple ROM dump. And that's all without taking into account the 20 Ambassador games. Hm. Looking at it this way, the $5 for Punch-Out!! doesn't seem all that bad. Right? Or... maybe not? I dunno. It's kind of a strange situation to be in, personally. I can find ways to make it "OK" in my mind to buy Punch-Out!! on 3DS - even though it's not a 3D Classic entry, which is baffling in and of itself. How is THIS game not in 3D, yet freakin' Urban Champion is? That makes no sense whatsoever. But is thinking this way making me some kind of irrational Nintendo fanboy/apologist? I don't really know. So anyway, what are your thoughts, Negative World? Are you going to buy NES games on 3DS? Are you upset that you can't transfer your Wii Virtual Console games to it? tl;dr version: Just answer the question in the subject title! URL to share (right click and copy)
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03/18/12, 04:45 Edited: 03/19/12, 05:31
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@Tranquilo It's an interesting point that you bring up, because this is still relatively uncharted territory (though granted, I don't have much experience with the Sony side of things) "Should these purchases be tied to a platform (handheld/console), or should they be tied to an account?" There are other examples of tying purchases to an account that don't seem to have been too detrimental (though it's a practice that is still in its infancy). With many iPhone games, if you buy a game, you can play it on an iPad. If you have a DS, you can transfer your purchases to your 3DS (even though they're both handhelds, it's an example of these purchases being fluid across devices). And of course, if you use Steam, many games are cross platform between Mac and PC. I can play Bit.Trip.Runner on my PC, bring my Macbook Pro out somewhere, and using the cloud save, I can pick up where I left off. So I guess it's kind of safe to say that right now, Nintendo is in the minority when it comes to this. Not all iPad games are instantly available on the iPhone (I think), so companies are still tying purchases to platforms, but more and more, the idea of tying a purchase to an ACCOUNT is becoming the norm. To me, I would think that Nintendo would want to move in that direction. Yes, they lose sales on people doubling up on purchases (NES games for instance)...but it's not like this is a major part of their revenue model, is it? If they're that worried about continuing to make revenue off of Super Mario Bros. and other NES games, then I think they need to start shifting their priorities. In the long run I think they'd be better off syncing purchases across platforms and having a "Nintendo ecosystem" of games. They wouldn't get those double-dip sales, but I think the image of their shop would become much more appealing to the consumer. I know it gets me excited. I won't agree with Oldmanwinter 100%...but to me, if I'm going to spend $5-$8 on a 25 year old game, then yes I would hope they'd be playable on both the console and handheld. I don't want to sound entitled, but to me it's a lot of money for a game to just be limited to one device. Also, yes, I agree - these NES games should not be clogging up the eShop. This is NOT what I got my 3DS for. If all of my VC purchases were available instantly on my 3DS, well that would be a different story. IMO, any of the following should happen: a.) All of the Wii's Virtual Console library should be available off the bat. Sales should happen once a week. b.) None of the Wii's Virtual Console library should appear until a significant amount of Classic Handheld games have been released. c.) These NES games should still come out - but not in PLACE of Classic Handheld games. They should be appearing in larger numbers ALONGSIDE these Classic Handheld games. (In addition, I would hope that the eShop would be much easier to navigate all of this, but that's another story entirely) I don't see why it has to be an either/or situation. Just throw all the damn games on there and put them on sale now and then. Many of these games are so old - I don't understand why Nintendo would throw away the idea of putting retro games on sale. The volume of purchases will make up for the lower price points. EDIT: I'm procrastinating right now so I'm just going to say this - this thread, and some snooping around the eShop, really makes me want to make a thread about how fucked up I think the eShop is and how horribly organized it is. Maybe that'll be a future podcast topic for me. |
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