@Mop it up Handhelds though! When I think "recent Castlevania" I think the GBA and DS games, not those lame HD Devil May Cry clones.

@Zero Sure, but Simon isn't in those, so that's kind of a problem. Maybe the Wii U version could have Simon and the 3DS version has... whoever's popular in the handheld games?

Hmm.

I guess I don't think of the character being in recent games as mattering so much as representing the franchise. Simon Belmont is the best to represent the franchise, especially to "Nintendo fans" who grew up on Castlevania.

Think of the way 1st party characters have been picked. Roy and Marth for Fire Emblem, instead of a bunch of new characters (though Ike did make it in.) Pit, even though he hadn't had a game at that point since the old Game Boy game. It's not always so much that the characters are relevant based on current games, but that they represent some piece of Nintendo history.

@Zero Roy was from the most recent Fire Emblem game at the time, just like Ike. In fact, I don't think Roy's game had even been released yet. Pit was also in to promote his upcoming game.

That said, I s'pose it's true that Snake hadn't been in a Nintendo game in a while, and had nothing coming up either, though he was still in games on other systems, which still makes that a slightly different case than Simon. But, I think that if they're going to include old characters who haven't been seen in a long time, they're not going to choose third-party characters for that idea.

This unfortunately means that I think Bomberman has no chance, he's just who I'd like to see.

@Zero Roy isn't actually a big Fire Emblem character I'm pretty sure. He's only in one Japan-exclusive game, and he was only in Melee as advanced advertising for that game if I recall. Meanwhile Ike's in two (both released worldwide) and Marth's in two or three or maybe more, including the original. On the other hand, that Melee appearance makes Roy more popular than most Fire Emblem characters in general...

I think the Fire Emblem representation should always be Marth (he's undeniably the face of the franchise) and whoever the new hotness is currently. Roy for Melee, Ike for Brawl, and now that would be Chrom I guess. I'd rather see a non-swordsman, so maybe they could go with your avatar character in Awakening? Or maybe some other fan-favorite berserker or mage or something.


I dunno about Simon Belmont. Admittedly he makes about as much sense as Snake did for Brawl, but nobody would have ever predicted Snake. And I like Snake because his moveset is so unique (and I thought they ingrained him into Brawl really well). Bomberman doesn't strike me as a great candidate either. As much as I think Pac-Man would be stupid, I can see him making the cut due to the Namco connection.

Though really, all I want to see is Mega Man, Sonic, and Snake. I'm sure Sakurai could bring me around on anybody he puts in, but I don't think the third-party lineup should grow much from the current three, if at all. Mega Man was undoubtedly the biggest NES icon outside of Nintendo's games, right? And he's always had a reliable presence on Nintendo systems, even if the "main" games often went to Sony. And Sonic was the quintessential anti-Mario for almost ten years before becoming one of Nintendo's top third-party supporters. Who else lives up to that, really?

@nate38

When do we find out about the other guys?

I -- personally -- don't want to know about anybody else until I finish a stage at a certain time, and Luigi jumps off of Mario's head and then you gotta fight him to unlock him.

Don't you want to LIVE that Mega Man video? I DO.

Whaaa? Simon Belmont is perfect. It's worth it just for the amazing potential with a Castlevania stage and music alone!

I also really like the idea of Bomberman.

But with the recent word, I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment. Other won't be many third party characters, so you people that prefer it that way should be happy... Though you are still crazy!

@Mop it up

Kid Icarus Uprising wasn't in the works until after Brawl.

@Mr_Mustache

You'll have to avoid big chunks of the internet! I told myself I'd avoid spoilers both during Melee's release and Brawl's, and I ended up having the whole roster ruined within hours.

@TriforceBun Not in development no, but part of Sakurai's agreement to return to make Brawl involved allowing him to make Kid Icarus Uprising afterward.

TriforceBun said:

Simon would fit in really well, I think. Revamp his 80's design instead of that super-ugly Judgment one, and you've got a nice character.

How about Simon's character model from Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate?



Zero said:

@r_hjort Which 4 Metal Gear games are you referring to? Because if you are counting MGS 3, that is technically a different person... Naked Snake, not Solid Snake. They just look and sound the same because they are clones and Kojima felt like keeping "Snake" the way people knew and loved him would sell better, maybe.

There are at least 4 on Nintendo systems:

Metal Gear (NES)
Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge (NES)
Metal Gear Solid (GBC)
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GCN)

And then yeah, Metal Gear Solid 3D: Snake Eater on 3DS...which may or may not count.

Oh yeah the GBC one. Why don't they release that on VC?! It's supposed to be pretty awesome, right?

And nooooo to the Mirror of Fate Simon Belmont, we need 80s version.

Yeah, the GBC Metal Gear Solid was indeed awesome. Seriously one of the best GBC games ever.

And I'd be cool with '80s Simon or Mirror of Fate Simon. But they'd really have to redesign '80s version to fit in with the rest of the Smash Bros. crew. IMO, anyway.

I don't see Snake coming back. What sense is there? His new game is ignoring Nintendo and Hayter was (apparently, supposedly) axed. I think he's out.

Sonic would make a ton more sense considering the deal they have with Nintendo. They're also coy about "one last exclusive game". Maybe Smash is it?


I can't stop watching that Smash Bros Dev Video. Seeing Megaman reborn is just fucking glorious. And how they captured every little bit of his animation, even including his foot moving first and his awkward run is an achievement.

Anyone see the video of Sakurai and Nate Bildorff playing as Mario and Megaman? Megaman wins in sudden death but I dunno who was who. Makes the game look great.

Rayman?

Billy and fuckin' Jimmy.

I'd cry.

Yeah Mega Man should honestly just lead a cast of 5 characters or so that helped defined the NES.

Mega Man (and Proto man as a costume or clone?)
Simon Belmont
Billy and Jimmy Lee (maybe both of them, Ice Climber style?)
Contra guy (Bill?)

Master Higgins!


Any other NES or SNES stars?

@Zero
Yeah, what Grant said.

@Mop it up

And what were the Ice Climbers promoting?

@carlosrox @PogueSquadron Don't you guys mean Bimmy and Jimmy? ;)

@Jargon Where did I say every character was promoting something? Some were, some weren't.