Renjaku said:

Like Galaxy was ever a real 3D mario. It's just been immune to criticism because oh my megazords you can walk upside down to good music. 3DLand after Galaxy was nice since it got back to the basics, actually. 3DWorld can best galaxy, but it won't touch Mario 64/Sunshine.

You have made a powerful enemy today.

The Great Edouble has many.

@Renjaku "Real" Mario, lol.

Zero said:

@Renjaku "Real" Mario, lol.

Says the guy who suspects A Link Between Worlds is not a real sequel.

TriforceBun said:

Renjaku said:

Like Galaxy was ever a real 3D mario. It's just been immune to criticism because oh my megazords you can walk upside down to good music. 3DLand after Galaxy was nice since it got back to the basics, actually. 3DWorld can best galaxy, but it won't touch Mario 64/Sunshine.

You have made a powerful enemy today.

We will fight this new enemy side by side. As brothers.

I'm sort of with Renjaku, even though I do love SMG. I mean, the disjointed random pieces of land I do find a bit of a turnoff.
I prefer the design of Sonic Lost World, it seems more cohesive.

Got to see people play it at Best Buy. I dunno, I don't wanna sound like a hater but it didn't look incredibly interesting. Obviously they just played the first level, but it seemed really arcadey, which will disappoint fans of 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy, which seemed more like grand adventures.

They were using Wiimotes so I assumed they had to use a run button. Using a Dpad with this game might be weird in multiplayer so hopefully we can use Pro/Classic controllers.

The visuals also looked pretty phoned in. Obviously it was very smooth and clear, but nothing like when we saw Sunshine or Galaxy and went "Oh, wow. ". If you loved 3D Land you'll be in heaven though.

Hmm, well, anyone who is still under the delusion that Nintendo might actually have a more logical, consistent approach to online gaming than in the past better be prepared to give up that delusion. Although the complete lack of any online games at launch should probably have knocked everyone out of that delusion anyway. I don't know if they actually believe what they are saying or it is just the PR answer they have decided to give, but here you go. From an interview with Time:

T: Why the choice not to support online multiplayer in Super Mario 3D World?

Mr. Hayashida: I think that we’ve always wanted to focus on being able to see the other players around you. I always thought that was fun.

Mr. Koizumi: The first Super Mario Bros. on the Nintendo Entertainment System had two controllers, so you could play multiplayer with someone right next to you. I think that we wanted to accomplish the same kind of feeling in a 3D Mario game for the first time.

Mr. Hayashida: I’ve always really enjoyed playing games with my children. In Super Mario Galaxy, we had the “assist play mode” that was available, but this is the first time that we’ve implemented a real multiplayer where the second player is moving a character around on screen in a 3D Mario game. And so I’m really happily looking forward to the experience of playing that with my kids.

Mr. Koizumi: And now that Peach has been included, I’m also hoping that people will be able to play the game with their girlfriends. Perhaps some of their girlfriends will find Peach as a more appealing character to play – or your wife, of course.

So yeah, no online gaming because that would... somehow... take away from local multiplayer gaming? There might even be some truth to that considering how many developers have abandoned local multiplayer gaming, but in a game like this it shouldn't be an either / or thing.

Honestly, I'm just going to assume that pretty much nothing 1st party outside of Smash, Mario Kart and Animal Crossing will be online on the Wii U. No point in getting my hopes up when Nintendo just still doesn't really care about online gaming much. On the Wii U, I mean. The 3DS gets an oddly larger amount of online games from Nintendo.

@Renjaku It's almost clearly not, if you define a sequel as something that didn't start as a remake. Although I've always said it's more in between the two. But what it definitely is, is a real Zelda game.

Even Zelda II is a real Zelda game.

I hate when they give that excuse. I don't understand how it would take away from the local multiplayer at all, unless they spend their whole time tweaking the game so that the camera can always have 4 people on screen.

I've said it before but I'm not really a fan of the way they handle multiplayer in Mario. I feel like it seriously cripples what they can do with the levels because they constantly have to design them around accommodating 4 people at the same time. You don't get those bits of exploration like you do in something like Super Mario World, or the kind of verticality you'd get from SMW or SMB3.

@PogueSquadron

Iiiiii dunno, playing Wario Ware in NYC; I can't imagine that fun being replicated via Wi-Fi..

@PogueSquadron

I think they've said that they design the levels with one player in mind.

@Mr_Mustache Yeah but online options do not take away from local options.

@Zero

They do, in a sense, if that is what you're playing in lieu of couch co-op.

This reminds me of the "playing Monster Hunter alone" deal, just inverted. Way better with others.

@Mr_Mustache If you have Wario Ware, and you have an online mode, how has the local multiplayer option suffered?

I'm not saying that online play replicates local play - far from it. I'm saying that from a development perspective, that if you take Mario 3D World as it exists right now, and let us do that online instead of local, you still have the option of playing it locally.

It's all about options.

@PogueSquadron

I dunno. In my head, and probably in theirs, you have Online or Offline multiplayer, and not both. Remember, they gotta fit a lot of crap in there, with each thing taking up room. Heck, we're complaining about Smash Bros. already seeming to be light on content via restrictions.

I don't know. My head hurts.

Zero said:

The 3DS gets an oddly larger amount of online games from Nintendo.

The DS had a larger amount of online Nintendo games compared to the Wii as well.

Can someone tell me something about this game to get me more excited? I've seen E3 footage, and I finally got to see people play it at Best Buy....but something about this game is just not grabbing me at all. I don't know if it's the more arcadey gameplay of it all (as opposed to the more...'adventurous' tone of the Galaxy games), or if it's some hesitation about the controls (is there a run button even on the Gamepad?), but I'm completely lukewarm about the game right now.

I liked 3D Land alright. It was a fun romp, and they did a good job of working in the restrictions of the 3DS. To me, it was a fun little game that was a nice stopgap between Mario Galaxy and whatever the next huge Mario game would be. I guess I was just expecting more of a leap with this one.

Am I the only one who is pretty dissinterested in 3D World? I'm kind of surprised that I'm saying this.

@PogueSquadron

Well it's pretty apparent it'll be 3D Land but much more beautiful and perhaps with some more fun power up(s). But if you didn't care too much for 3D Land, you wont care too much for 3D World.

I don't know why you wouldn't find it fun if you enjoy platformers. I understood having a preference in style but I never understood those who don't feel like some mario's grab them while others don't. As if Nintendo is delivering vastly different products each time. To me, they're all similar enough to love, even if I have my preferences. I don't have that problem. But it's a fair issue and plagues many. I guess I can be content in the creativity that is Nintendo even if they use a previous game as a base. I guess that's worth my money.

I guess that's maybe the thing. It's a game I know I'll probably like, but I haven't been shown anything that will make me fall in love with it. The thing with Galaxy was, you just couldn't put it down. You had to keep going and see what would happen next. What was around the next corner. What fantastical level you'd see, or what amazing song you'd hear, or what kind of set piece awaited you. DKCR grabbed me in the same way.

Yet, at the same time, I'm just finding Tropical Freeze and 3D World to seem like good games, but also kind of on the uninteresting side.

Cat suit is awesome. That's something to get excited about.

Also, it's the first multiplayer 3D Mario game, right? That's pretty great. I forget if the DS version of Mario 64 had simultaneous multiplayer. I'm pretty psyched to play it multi.