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Nintendo courting smartphone developers to boost Wii U sales
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May 06, 2013, 03:28:37
 
What do you think? Will smartphone developers be interested? Can these kinds of apps drive consoles sales? It certainly couldn't hurt to get some more games on the system.

The game console and software maker has offered professional-use conversion software to application developers so they can produce smartphone games that can be played on Wii U, a struggling home video game console that helped widen the firmís operating loss in fiscal 2012.

Nintendo hopes smartphone software will help spur console sales, which will in turn lead to an increase in popular game titles for them, the sources said.



Source: Japan Times

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Posted: 05/06/13, 03:28:37  - Edited by 
 on: 05/06/13, 03:28:30    
 
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@ludist210@Zero
Agreed with you both! Indie games are more appealing than the usual AAA third party games...but they won't be moving consoles any time soon. Maybe in part because by the time they show up on any console, they're probably already $3 on Steam or in a humble bundle.

I generally don't hold with pay-to-win games. Nintendo is welcome to invite those games onto it's systems, though. I have no problem with too many games in the eShop. I think this step by Nintendo would have a greater impact in Japan, where I hear mobile games are very popular. In the US, we're more concerned with when Smash Bros. and Zelda are coming out.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:20:05
@Xbob42 you sir, are very dense. It's why I never quote nor respond to any of your bullshit posts.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:35:55
Guillaume said:
Except that they're not "courting the cell phone market" as much as they're courting developers for their hardware. So this really isn't the place to rehash the "Nintendo should make cell phone games" discussion.

What they're "courting" is cell phone game conversions to the Wii U. What a horrible and backwards idea. That's why the OTHER way makes more sense. How about Nintendo puts their software on the other hardware? How is that not considered a 100% practical jump in logic? It makes way more sense and is simply a reversal of roles!

Scrawnton said:
@Xbob42 you sir, are very dense. It's why I never quote nor respond to any of your bullshit posts.

...Uh huh. So "Nintendo on cell phones, that's why I never post here anymore! Scoff! Harumph! The very thought!" and then when I bring up a valid argument you scoff once more, harumph even louder and declare that you will in fact not respond with anything more than hostility.

Hell, I'm hostile often but at least I back up what I say with arguments instead of getting all pissy like a child and declaring my intent to "Not talk to you anymore!"


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:41:38
@Xbob42

Whether it's a good idea or not, Nintendo putting stuff on smartphones will not boost Wii U sales, which is the point of this move. Nintendo has already invested a huge amount in Wii U and obviously it needs to sell the system, its peripherals and its software in order to recoup that investment. This maneuver in courting developers probably won't make much of a difference, but it is aimed at that problem, which your idea plainly isn't.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:47:57
@Xbob42 listen. This thread has nothing to do with "Nintendo developing for phones." My reference about not being here was talking about how every thread seems to be turned in to a negative argue about Nintendo. This thread could've been a about how cool it would be if Nintendo had this game or this game. It could've been all positive and speculating the future of Wii U. Instead it was turned in to that same stupid ass argument about how Nintendo should make ios games and make instant super mega profits. THAT is what I am tired of.

And in reference to the hostile responses, I tend not to respond to you because you are usually the harbrinnger of this shit. You have strong opinions that I think lacks logic. Your view on video games is fucked considering I always see you bitch about graphics. I don't respond to you because you have the typical troll mentality of "I'm fuckinh right, fuck you guys and your argument."

This isn't about being hostile. I've never ever responded to posters on this board that turn things into negatives. It's not why I come here. And the one day I do decide to come back, the typical bullshit is afloat. Honestly, if you don't want to talk about Nintendo courting phone developers to make Wii U games, then shut up. No one wants to be here to constantly read negative shit and arguments. If I wanted that, I'd go to neogaf. I suggest you go there.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:52:07
@Jargon
It would make Nintendo more money though, and they could advertise for Wii U in their cell phone games (get the full experience, only on Wii U). Let's say Nintendo makes a billion dollars on mobile sales for some cheap efforts that are really thinly veiled advertising for their own hardware. Then they could invest that billion dollars into more quality software for the Wii U and 3DS.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 20:52:30
@anon_mastermind

Nintendo already is advertising in mobile games. I've seen the Wii U ad pop up a lot after making a play in Words With Friends. It actually made me pause and watch the commercial on my phone, which I never do.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:07:01
@anon_mastermind

They're also sitting on tons of money though. And they could also make more money by investing their money in a more successful bond funds or something. The important part is how they use the money they do have towards improving the Wii U's outlook, which Xbob's plan does not address.

The advertising part is fine, but they could do a lot more with advertising than they do already, so it's not that interesting.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:09:22
@Jargon The goal of Nintendo is to MAKE LOTS OF MONEY. They don't need to set an arbitrary goal of "Everything we do needs to move more Wii U...units!" Besides, they could advertise the hell out of the Wii U on their little cell phone titles. Oh no, millions of users might become more brand aware! Clearly it would destroy Nintendo.

@Scrawnton How is the thought of Nintendo developing some cool side stuff for phones a negative? Or are you saying that it's negative because trying to bring games from iOS to the Wii U is something I consider the exact wrong idea? Oh, I wasn't aware that Nintendo could do no wrong. That I couldn't offer opinions on what I think a better solution would be. Clearly because I enjoy visual fidelity and a consistent framerate (as evidenced by my love of highly graphically intense titles like To The Moon, Super Meat Boy, Fez, Anodyne, Aquaria, Awesomenauts, Bastion, the Runner games, Recettear, Chantelise, Fortune Summoners, Dungeon Defenders, Don't Starve, Dustforce, Frozen Synapse, Gish, Cave Story, Home, Jamestown, Kentucky Route Zero, Machinarium, Mark of the Ninja, Sword & Sworcery EP, Offspring Fling, Snapshot, Rochard, Rock of Ages, Scribblenauts, Sequence, Shoot Many Robots, SPAZ, Terraria, Minecraft, Starmade, Torchlight 2, Trials, Vessel, Waveform, World of Goo, Zeno Clash, NEED I CONTINUE?) that I have some screwed up perspective on games. You know, I can't play a game with less than 400 billion pixels on-screen, which is why I'm playing Phantasy Star IV with NW right now and enjoying it! And it sure as hell ain't for nostalgia since I never owned the game or a Sega system as a kid.

Look, all I'm saying is I think you're taking it the wrong way if you think Nintendo releasing awesome stuff on phones (alongside, not instead of, and not ports of their "real" stuff!) is somehow indicative of some sort of negative sentiment. I'm of the opinion that Nintendo completely locking themselves down on their own hardware isn't the right way to go. iOS/Android devices are something Nintendo (And MS, and Sony) should view as additional revenue streams, rather than competition, unless Nintendo plans to release its own smart phone down the line. Nintendo isn't competing with iOS or Android because those are markets for people who want a phone, i.e. instead of trying to "beat," them, they should be releasing high quality software there (with features that can connect to the Wii U via a cloud app on your Wii U or 3DS, to advertise both systems, respectively) and just make a killing.

Sorry if that makes it sound like I'm going Nintendoooooooomed or something, because that is the exact opposite of what I'm implying here.

I personally think being able to take a character from a game and earn additional items or bonuses by playing a separate game on a phone would be a really cool idea. Maybe even give a code for a discount on the cell phone "version" to people who bought the main game. Or vice versa, I don't know, I'm not too savvy on Nintendo's revenue streams per game and they really don't like to put stuff on sale, ever. The reason I think it would be cool is simple: I thought the VMU on the Dreamcast was the coolest thing ever. Taking my Skies of Arcadia save and playing a little mini-game when I'm not home that could get me treasure in the real game?! Friggin' AWESOME.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:12:14  - Edited by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:16:08
@Xbob42

Chill with the exclamation points and look at what I actually said. All I'm saying is that it's understandable that people think you're sidetracking the conversation when this thread is about Wii U and your point has little, if anything, to do with Wii U. It's like talking about global warming in a thread about a new initiative to fight poverty. Yes, the world could be doing better things about global warming, but it won't solve poverty.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:21:17
Just a personal opinion, I'm sure the innovative geniuses at Nintendo could design a better iOS game than anyone on the planet and make a billion dollars doing so, but if they did I'd be a little sad because that would almost be like putting up the white flag and rolling over and playing dead.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:25:21
@Kal-El814 @Jargon No I get this, but even with people who own the Wii U and say there is nothing on it, a lot of them haven't even tried these games on any platform. There are still a large amount of console owners who don't consider digital downloads in a serious manner, or see them as intrinsically inferior on some level.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:36:02
@Zero
This. Reality is that to the vast majority eShop/PSN/XBLA games are a nice bonus feature at best, but they are never going to be system sellers.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:40:48  - Edited by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:41:09
@TheOldManFromZelda
Oh, that's good to know.

@Jargon
I think that it takes some real wishful thinking to believe that smartphone games on Wii U is going to drive hardware sales. Therefore, this thread took a very logical change in direction. Imagine every big Nintendo game released with a companion app on the mobile stores. It includes some simple minigame within, and therefore might grab some sales that way, but more iportantly the app really benefits someone who owns the retail version of the 3DS or Wii U game. Something as simple as this would raise awareness for Nintendo games, Nintendo hardware, and make money. Miiverse app is coming, and I believe it's the first step.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 21:41:18
deathly_hallows said:
Just a personal opinion, I'm sure the innovative geniuses at Nintendo could design a better iOS game than anyone on the planet and make a billion dollars doing so, but if they did I'd be a little sad because that would almost be like putting up the white flag and rolling over and playing dead.

And that's a perspective that needs to change. Branching out and becoming more decentralized is a fantastic move! Valve is the most PC-centric developer on the planet, they completely revolutionized digital distribution (for EVERYONE, XBLA and PSN and Wiiware and even the App store to an extent came from everyone seeing that yes, selling things digitally is viable!) and they still released their games on consoles. This idea that Nintendo has to be super-exclusive is just... it's silly. It's childish. It needs to go away.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:08:40
Okay, I guess this needs to be spelled out. I want to preface this with the following statement: I ant beleive neogaf is having a positive conversation about this while this board is turning it in to a "nintendo develop on phones" argument again.

Please, do not compare Nintendo to Valve by stating, "valve is the most PC-centric developer on the planet, they completely revolutionized digital distribution... and they still released their games on consoles." This has nothing to do with Nintendo and their battle to gain traction in the industry again. IT IS OBVIOUS that smart phone gaming detracts from console and handheld gaming, despite how well the 3DS is doing. This is a company that will not release two first party games near each other in fear of cannibalizing sales.

Branching out and becoming more decentralized is murder to nintendo. They make games for hardware they create. Nintendo is not gonna improve their main business (selling hardware) by making games for smart phones. That is one of the most illogical statements I've read today. But if you need me to spell it out for you, I will. Nintendo starts releasing games for phones, their systems take a hit because people are getting bite sized experiences and are satisfied with that, and ultimately their systems fade off into the unknown because smartphones now have all the games they need. It seems like nintendos key to being successful, to some of you, is to LOSE their exclusive catalog to the phone market. That is not have things are run. That is not how nintendo will do it and that is not how they will do it.

Using smart phones to make apps to spread the awareness for Wii U and 3DS is somewhat plausible, but them people will complain that the apps are glorified advertisement schemes. I really do not get what is so hard to understand about this. Nintendo is still around today because they are a company that makes their own hardware and supports that hardware with their games. Keeping that notion of "you can only play and experience these franchises on nintendo devices" is what will keep them relevant.

Explain to me, please, how releasing iOS or Android games will make Nintendo profitable. Why should they waste the development time on that nonsense? It makes zero sense. Yes we live in a world where phone games are very popular, but is that that big of a deal. Is Lamborghini or Ferrarri that but hurt because people are buying cheap Chevrolets? No. They have their market. Is Pepsi going to make a drink and sell it through Coca Cola because that seems to be the more popular brand? No. Businesses succeed and fail on how well they can sell their product on their terms. Nintendo releasing small games for phones is like throwing in the towel to a market that are trying to beat. Why would nintendo want to lessen the value of their IPs by turning them into small time apps on the app store.

This is why I hate this argument. It is nonsense. This thread could've been so much more. We could've been speculating about current games and how cool it would be for Wii U to have that. Who cares if it would be a thread full of hopes and dreams and nonsensical speculation; at least it wouldnt have been about b.s. Want to talk about this stupid topic of "nintendo developing for phones" make a damn thread about it and attract people that want to talk about it.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:27:36
@Scrawnton The only nonsense argument I'm seeing here is yours. Nintendo is hemorrhaging cash but new revenue streams would clearly be suicide. I see you're a master of business. Please, enlighten me. You forget that Nintendo is still competing against Sony and MS. They don't simply have their own market anymore, as their blue ocean strategy only worked with the Wii. If someone would be satisfied with a bite-sized version of a Nintendo game on their phone, then logic dictates they'd simply buy a Nintendo-clone style game on their phone or run an emulator and be done with it! Why would the lack of Nintendo-branded stuff mean they'd spend several hundred dollars on a Wii U? THAT argument makes no sense. Now a connected ecosystem wherein the two benefit each other, that's something I can see working.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:31:10  - Edited by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:32:29
@Xbob42

It's funny how when Microsoft and Sony's gaming divisions lose billions for years on end they're not expected to change strategies but when Nintendo loses much less for one year and a quarter they have to completely change strategies. I understand that MS and Sony have other things to fall back on, but the reality of the industry today is that it costs money to release a console and it takes time to recoup those costs.

I can see both sides of the argument for releasing Nintendo games on smartphones, but I'm not too interested in playing backseat CEO when we are not privy to a huge amount of information.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:38:06  - Edited by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:39:29
@Xbob42 meanwhile, people developing AAA games for ps360 are shutting their doors every week. Nintendo becoming a common developer for smart phones is not going to save them against Microsoft and Sony. Making the Wii U a stronger and more appealing console would, so lets talk about th.....oh holy hell, this thread is already about Nintendo making stride to make the Wii U a more attractive platform by making it extremely easy to port games to the system? How convenient, let us talk about that.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:40:13
@Jargon I said that Sony and MS should do it as well, though. But Sony and MS aren't exactly software masters, y'know? Nintendo makes killer software. And I don't think making side-things for the iOS counts as some major company overhaul.


Posted by 
 on: 05/06/13, 22:40:21
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