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Negative World Podcast 027 - Self-conscious gamers
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February 14, 2012, 04:17:46

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Time for your bi-weekly (or is it bi-monthly?) dose of the Negative World Podcast! Listen to Andrew (Zero), Paul (Ploot) and Guillaume (duh) talk about Actraiser, Uncharted 2, Pr. Layton and the Last Specter, Zen Pinball, The Simpsons Arcade Game and Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones.

The crew follow this up with discussions about the stigma of playing dedicated handheld systems in public; is there a place in Nintendo's future for stuff like F-Zero, Pilotwings, etc; and games that combine several genres. Zero shocks Guillaume and Ploot by announcing his upcoming sex change.

As usual, the theme music comes from Negative World's owner and dictator, Zero. The music throughout the podcast is taken from Actraiser.

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Posted: 02/14/12, 04:17:46  - Edited by 
 on: 02/14/12, 04:31:31    
Why not sign up for a (free) account and create your own content?
Mixing genres:

Shame on everyone for at the very least not mentioning Dokapon Kingdom.
You didn't have to have a favorable story, but that is a super-mix.


I'm trying to figure out how much to stuff in each week, and especially on the first week. My suggestion? (And I'll put this in the main thread, too) Go heavy on Week 1 until its done, as "quick" as you can; don't wait until the last few days. That way you can gauge how much you can get in comfortably, and give me feedback, and I can build around that. And anyone who has played before, too, feel free to lend a hand.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 00:38:08

Why would some kid asking if you were playing Yu-Gi-Oh make you run home? Was it like a teenager mocking you or some kid who was actually interested in what you were playing?

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:21:22

That is a good question..

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:25:59

Simply because kids are annoying, and they can't annoy me if I'm home.

Actually it might have been two kids in a row pestering me, I don't remember. I just remember thinking "Alright, perhaps there was a flaw in my cunning plan, I'm out of here".

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:27:17

You could've been the Patron Saint of Adult Handheld Gameplayers though. Instead, you took your ball and went home. You should've stood your ground, Gui.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:29:43

Haha, you're a monster. I love kids! And I love to talk about video games with them, especially because they automatically assume any adult who plays video games is awesome. You could have told them all about Dragon Quest 9 and paved the way to gaming enlightenment!

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:30:48
One of my second graders got Dragon Quest IX for his birthday. It kind of surprised me, when he told me he was getting a DS game and I asked him what game, I totally expected it to be some Yu-Gi-Oh garbage. But nah, Dragon Quest IX. And then I got to be the cool teacher and tell him I owned and defeated it.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 01:52:43
I actually don't agree with some of what was said about people giving weird looks to those who are playing on a handheld like a DS, 3DS or PSP, ect. First, when someone is using their ipod/iphone/android or whatever, there is many things that person may be doing. Looking up a #, browsing, playing a game, ect.

When someone has their iphone/android out, its like, who cares. But when someone has their gaming device, that is something different. I know at the Dept of Energy, my day job, people are curious, cause they honestly do not know what I am messing with. I think people are curious, more than anything. Of course, there are the dickheads and morons out there, like when Gui was mentioning the guys on the train talking about people pushing buttons and not being social. Those aholes were being dicks.

In Paul's example, those girls sound like typical girls. I doubt they meant anything by it. Thus, Im not buying into this stigma thing. And Zero, is just being overly paranoid. Who cares if the kids go home and say, my teacher has a 3DS and was talking about it.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 08:48:08
There's certainly curiosity at times, but there is also the other thing whether you've experienced it or not.
It especially used to happen when I was an undergrad.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 18:01:50

I wonder how much of it is relative.

If you see a kid on the subway playing a gaming handheld no one bats an eye. But I do think the older the user is, the more it stands out in a negative fashion.

Many people say, "I don't care what others think.", and that's fine. But the truth is that many adults do care about how they present themselves in public.

For example, it's one reason why I stopped wearing skater clothes and concert t-shirts many, many years ago. I reached a point in my life where I said, "I'm too old to dress like this.". Nothing is sadder (fashion-wise) than seeing someone who doesn't dress age-appropriately. Like they are unable to let go of their youth or something and now just look like a middle-age person trying to dress like a teenager.

Anyway, I personally stopped carrying portable game systems around in public long ago. I think the older I get, the more I look like a man-child using one in public. And while some may not care, I personally do.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 18:17:02
Older person playing video games = immature. Doesn't matter if it's in public, or in the hole in the wall in your basement... that's the general stigma associated with video games.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 19:09:40
Negative World said:
Time for your bi-weekly (or is it bi-monthly?) dose of the Negative World Podcast!
Bi-weekly means every two weeks.
Bi-monthly means every two months.
Semi-monthly means twice per month.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 19:46:52
This is 100% truth.
It was mostly cleared up for me when I was applying for a mortgage.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 19:50:45  - Edited by 
 on: 02/15/12, 19:52:53
I'm fairly sure I don't look "sad" or "like a man-child" the rare times I'm playing a DS in public. I dunno. If anything, people tell me I look "serious" or "mature", and if carrying a handheld around makes me look a little more like "someone who likes to have fun" then hey, I'll take it.

And if like in the anecdote I told on the podcast it makes me look unapproachable or antisocial, then good. If you are the kind of person to comment out loud about it then I do believe I'm too good for you, and wouldn't talk to you anyway. Jerk!


But I am a monster. I like kids enough. When they play quietly in their corner and don't annoy me.


You make a good point in that that's what girls that travel in pairs do: giggle and make guys self-conscious.


Ah, that's clears up a few things for me.

I am a semi-sexual, then.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 20:17:53
That minesweeper game in SS was a complete waste of time. It offered no heart piece at all. I actually Googled that before playing it to see if it was worth my time.

While I'd like to say that if the minigame was fun, I would've been all over it...but when I'm playing Zelda, I want to play a Zelda game, and these sidequests should affect the "Zelda" part of the game.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 20:40:20
@New Forms I dunno man, I love it when adult don't look/dress like boring business drones. Mind you, a lot of it comes down to the type of work you do. I work in IT and although there is no strict dress code at my work, there are some limits, so I kind of fall in line a bit there. And then the rest of my life I just wear my work clothes around because why buy two separate wardrobes? I'm pragmatic. Actually I don't have any real desire to buck the norms through clothing anyway. But I respect those who do. Social norms should be challenged.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 21:42:33


Like I said, it's all about context.

I don't judge those who game in public, nor do I judge those who dress in counter-culture styles. Yet, I'm not na´ve enough to think they're not in all likelihood being judged negatively by most.

It's just a matter of where we are in our personal lives. Sometimes we grow out of behaviors. Sometimes our tastes change.

As I said above, I don't dress like a skater/raver anymore. I also don't do shots at the bar anymore. I don't stage dive at concerts either. I can list lots more but suffice to say, some things are better left behind in our youth.

It's not about being uptight, or a drone, imo. It's more about knowing what's appropriate for time, place, age, etc.

These days I go to the Kennedy Center annually for seasonal ballet. I always wear a suit. Most men do. Like 99.9%. There are some who dress casually (jeans, etc.), but honestly they look more silly and out of place than the "uptight" people they might be trying to snub.

That's what I always found funny about counter-culture fashion. It's like I hear them screaming, "You sold out to The Man!" "Look at me I'm DIFFERENT!"

But they're not.

They all shop at Hot Topic or some random retro used-clothes hipster outlet. They're doing the exact same thing the drones are. They're finding a common uniform to express their identity and stepping in line with everyone else they're aligned with. They arrange their look and lifestyle to mimic their peers just like most.

There's nothing particularly original about that, other than the fact that it seems like they're overcompensating and desperate for attention. Not judging them, but just looking at it more from a clinical perspective.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 22:09:52
I'm not talking about "counter-culture" though which is, of course, boring and derivative. I'm just talking about finding out who you are and not being afraid to be that person. Of course there are all kinds of social situations which it makes sense to conform a bit, and that's not really an issue in my eyes. My sister's wedding is this weekend and obviously I'll dress up for that. Although I'm curious as to what her and her soon-to-be husband are going to be wearing, since they met at Ren faire and he ALWAYS wears a cape. I'm not kidding. I've never seen him not wearing a cape, even at church functions and such. I'd actually be a bit shocked if he didn't wear a cape to his own wedding.

But I'm like half playing Devil's Advocate because I don't actually identify who I am through clothing too much anyway, and I kind of find it odd when people do so to the extent that they make sacrifices just to be able to wear whatever they want. So when I was student teaching I wore a bunch of nice clothes and didn't feel like a sell-out or anything (although I definitely prefer being a bit more casual at work if I can be.) Other than having some fun t-shirts and such clothes kind of bore me in general. I do 90% of my clothes shopping at Sears out of sheer laziness.

Still, every once in awhile I'll see someone who is like... I dunno. Not just following some lame counter-culture, but actually has some really unique look and isn't afraid to pull it off. And I'll be like mentally high-fiving the person.

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 22:25:08

Zero? Paranoid?? Sheesh, you make him out to sound like he thinks he's going to be the first one sniped in a group of people because he's the tallest or something..

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 22:37:49

That's funny.

When I lived in Denver there was this guy down the street who drove around in a Phantom of the Opera Mazda Miata. The car was black and had an (admittedly quality) silk-screen print of the Phantom's mask that took up the whole hood. The vanity license plate said something sad in relation to the play (maybe a quote or something?).

This dude was emo before emo was cool. Always went out wearing Goth black (9 times out of 10 a Phantom t-shirt), and sometimes a cape and white-face makeup. Dude was invested.

What a card!

Posted by 
 on: 02/15/12, 22:38:54
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