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Nintendo 3DS US launch titles revealed! (games confirmed to be $40)
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February 22, 2011, 17:48:48
 
Source from the link, the list itself is below.

* PilotWings Resort
* Steel Diver
* Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition
* Nintendogs + Cats, available in three editions: Poodle, Golden Retriever and Bulldog.
* Ridge Racer 3D
* Samurai Warriors: Chronicles
* The Sims 3
* Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D
* Super Monkey Ball 3D
* Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars
* Rayman 3D
* Asphalt 3D
* Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
* Bust-a-Move Universe
* Madden NFL 11
* Combat of Giants: Dinosaurs 3D

...as well as Face Raiders and the AR Cards, etc.

So, what do you think?

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Posted: 02/22/11, 17:48:48  - Edited by 
 on: 02/22/11, 22:40:59    
 
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@deathly_hallows Hmm, true. I guess I never really got into the exploration modes in 64 much. I messed around with them a bit, but where I spent 95% of my time was the events.

Also I have the benefit of having hated most of the Wii Sports Resort modes where you explored the island. So it's still somewhat new to me.

But I do wish there were more environments. Little America in 64 was awesome.


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 22:38:01  - Edited by 
 on: 02/23/11, 22:38:21
@Zero
I'd be happy with one new large environment in addition to Wuhu Island, or even just the N64 levels ported over, anything! Throw me a bone Nintendo!


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 22:53:05
@deathly_hallows
I think you're being a little harsh in saying Pilotwings Resort only has 1 level. The objectives are the levels, and it seems to have many of these. It also doesn't make sense to describe the game as shallow for just featuring Wuhu island - whether it is shallow or not will be determined by the quality/difficulty of the mission design, and how nuanced the controls are.

Exploration will take a hit because of how well known Wuhu island is, but while this was an interesting part of 64, it wasn't really part of the SNES version which was great too. I'm not happy that Wuhu is the only environment, but Pilotwings has always been mainly about the quality of the missions.


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 23:06:32
deathly_hallows said:
@Zero
I'd be happy with one new large environment in addition to Wuhu Island, or even just the N64 levels ported over, anything! Throw me a bone Nintendo!

You want the N64 levels ported, but you complain about already having explored Wuhu.

See, this is where the logic gets really iffy.

And seriously? A gray background for flying around? That's being pretty ridiculous, don't you think?


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 23:07:07
@-JKR- Yeah but at least it would be MORE environments we have already played around in, instead of just one.


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 23:12:07
Zero said:
@-JKR- Yeah but at least it would be MORE environments we have already played around in, instead of just one.
Exactly.

And the reason I'm saying why not just a gray background is that some of you are arguing that the environments don't matter, it's all about the missions and controls ect.

I agree the missions and controls are also integral to making a complete game, but I can't just discount the environments. It would be like playing Uncharted without trees or mountains or temples to look at, no fun.


Posted by 
 on: 02/23/11, 23:22:07
deathly_hallows said:
Zero said:
@-JKR- Yeah but at least it would be MORE environments we have already played around in, instead of just one.
Exactly.

And the reason I'm saying why not just a gray background is that some of you are arguing that the environments don't matter, it's all about the missions and controls ect.

I agree the missions and controls are also integral to making a complete game, but I can't just discount the environments. It would be like playing Uncharted without trees or mountains or temples to look at, no fun.

But you're putting a considerable amount emphasis on the environments. Hence why it's so "shallow" despite the wealth of all new missions/activities to do. (And I love Uncharted, but one of the problems with it was exactly what you're saying. Very few types of missions, but many different trees. I wouldn't dream of calling Uncharted shallow, but if I downplayed the environment and said "It's just the same running around shooting guys" it would be the same deal as what you're saying.)

Bah, I don't care. I'm merely trying to point out the discrepancy but in the end it makes no difference at all. I won't continue to argue. Pilotwings and it's "shallowness" will be mine come end of March.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 00:49:32
Heh, I don't know what you guys are going on about. That only having Wuhu Island to explore is disappointing is a perfectly understandable feeling. Maybe shallow wasn't the word to use but no need to bust anyone's balls about it.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:28:12
Really, you can't just compare the singularity of 'one' environment such as Wuhu Island to a typical game map. It's an Island. Rendered to scale. It's like complaining that GTAIV only takes place in one city. Yeah, there may only be one environment, but it is a massive one with all different types of terrain and geometry, making it perfect for all sorts of different missions.

A game like Pilotwings can take advantage of Wuhu Island's diversity in terms of challenges, an aside from the backdrop/setting, they would all feel different. In the end, the gameplay is what matters most, and if Pilotwings delivers on that front, then it will be a good game.

EDIT:

Also, people complain about having already explored Wuhu Island in WSR, but...

Have we had Pilotwings gameplay on Wuhu Island before? No.

Have we had RPG gameplay on Wuhu Island before? No.

Have we had Animal Crossing gameplay on Wuhu Island before? No.




Considering how diverse the place is, there's all types of gameplay that will make the place feel new, fun, and fresh. Having the same Island each time just makes it have that much more of a sense of 'home'.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:37:25  - Edited by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:43:27
Simbabbad said:
Having one environment isn't the only issue, having one environment we already know inside out from WiiFit and Wii Sports Resort is the issue.
This is pretty much it. That said, I do like the island a lot but I'm hoping there's A) new caverns/buildings/structures in and around the island, and/or B) new secondary islands with their own structures. And ideally, a whole lot of A and B.

Still trying to decide between this and Steel Diver (and Rayman 3D) for launch.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:45:58
@Simbabbad

True, I addressed this in my edit. I just think that there's a lot of untapped potential with Wuhu using different gameplay genres. Same could be said for Liberty City.

Liberty City RPG
Liberty City Platformer
Liberty City Adventure
etc.

They would all make me want to revisit the same environment.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:45:58  - Edited by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:48:03
@Simbabbad I thought it did, on the PSP games.

Anyway, different genres is nice and all but I still say new environments is better than old ones. It's the same logic I use when I say I want new franchises from Nintendo and people say "but if the gameplay is fresh, why not use Mario...?" It's like ok Mario can work but all other things being equal, I like a fresh coat of paint.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 05:59:17
Well it's not like there aren't other games of the same respective genres. I like new coats of paint too. I just also am enticed by the appeal of returning to familiar environments with new concepts. It's like getting to know new layers of someone/something. So basically, I'm saying we should have both.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:02:38
Perhaps people wouldn't be as turned off by this if there weren't the flying mode in WSR? Because that is kind of rehashing a bit there.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:07:50
Zero said:
Perhaps people wouldn't be as turned off by this if there weren't the flying mode in WSR? Because that is kind of rehashing a bit there.

To be honest, I think it's a nice bonus. We can't exactly fly around Wuhu Island in 3D in Wii Sports Resort.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:23:50
Liberty City is way bigger with tons more variety and detail than Wuhu Island, you can't even really compare those two things. Besides GTA games don't just use the same city over and over, unless you count the expansion packs, which are not full price games. But even those expansion packs have considerable amount of new content in the way of characters, story, weapons, and vehicles.

Pilot Wings Resort is just Miis flying around the same island that you can already fly around in with your Mii in WSR.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:28:08
I don't have WSR so Wuhu Island is new to me.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:29:38
@sirmastersephiroth
Lucky you, I spent hours playing WSR Flyover mode, it's awesome. Too bad for me that I've already played so much because Pilot Wings Resort is virtually the same game.

WSR:


Pilot Wings:


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:37:38
Hm, even the plane looks identical.

I'm wondering if this is really Pilotwings, or just another name for "Wii Sports Resort Flyover: The Game." Sort of like how Mercenaries became its own full game.

There better be a ton of content to make up for the lack of new environments, or else I'm hitting the submarines come launch day!


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:43:25
@deathly_hallows I still don't get how you consider it the same game though. One is flying around with no objectives. One is that as a side mode... and then a bunch of actual events as the core of the game. I'm not too happy about only one environment, but there is an actual GAME behind it this time, WSR didn't have that.


Posted by 
 on: 02/24/11, 06:47:18
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