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I bought a Wii! Yes, in 2020! Nearly 15 GameCube and Wii game impressions inside! Nostalgia is pleasure... and pain!
by 
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January 30, 2020, 19:33:05
 
Introduction

So, historically in my family when a new Nintendo console releases I buy it day one, and then pass on my old one to my nieces and nephews. I believe this first started when I bought the Wii and passed on my GameCube. At that point, it wasnít much of a loss to me, because the Wii played GameCube games anyway. But then the Wii U came along and I gave away my Wii, and although the Wii U plays Wii games, it doesnít play GameCube games, so I no longer had a way to play my GameCube games. To be honest, I wasnít thinking much about playing GameCube games at that point anyway.

But a few years later, I got the urge to play some of the GameCube classics, so I asked for my GameCube back. They had a Wii that played GameCube games now anyway, they didnít need my GameCube anymore! Well, I got it back, but with one major problem. It didnít work. They had broken it! No use crying over spilt milk, right? And I figured Iíd be getting my Wii back eventually, so I would be able to play my GameCube games at that point anyway. Just needed to be patient and all would be well. What could go wrong?

You can probably see where this is going.

But youíre wrong! The Switch released, I gave them my Wii U, got my Wii back, and it worked!

No I lied, youíre right. It workedÖ for like an hour. Sort of. With a bunch of disk read errors. And then the drive completely died, wouldnít even spin.

I love my nieces and nephews, but they are notorious for wrecking my things.

So now I had no way to play any of my GameCube games or my Wii games! Thatís like, more than half of 3D era Nintendo! To be honest, I kind of just accepted it as a fact of life for awhile, but recently, on a whim, I decided to check how much a Wii costs in 2020. And I found one for $40 on Amazon. And I had $40 worth of Amazon points sitting there. So I figured, what the heck, you only live once, right?

And honestly, it was exciting! It felt almost like buying a new system again. Getting that box in the mail, hooking it up. Going through the settings. I made some Miis again! And unlike a day one system, I already had tons and tons of games for this one. I wanted to play them all again! Well, maybe not all of them.

Also, Amazon messed up my order and didnít include Wii Sports / Wii Sports Resort even though they were listed, and decided to give me a full refund and let me keep the Wii. So I got it for free! And I already have Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort anyway!

Anyhow, I decided to write out some impressions of everything Iíve been playing since I got my new Wii a few days ago. I didnít get to play everything that I would have liked to, as my nieces and nephews still have a fair amount of my games at their place (even my GameCube games, although they have no way to play them anymore), but luckily I still have a bunch of my best games on me, so...

Here goes!


Metroid Prime - GameCube


Progress: A few hours, fairly deep into the Chozo Ruins.

Takeaway: Metroid is one of my favorite franchises and Metroid Prime was one of my favorite games ever. Absolute masterpiece. Iíve replayed it several times, but the last time was many years ago. But does it hold up years later?

Honestly, after my first session a few days ago (basically just got through the space station and messed around a little bit on the planet) I felt a bit let down. The controls feel a bit limiting (I kind of see why a lot of people wanted it to have dual analog now.) And donít tell Anand I said this, but scanning does feel kind of like an unnecessary addition, though that isnít a huge deal, since you can mostly ignore scanning.

But then I played it again the next day, and started getting my powers back, fought a few mini-bosses, etc. and everything started clicking again. This game is so amazing! Everything is so well crafted, a great blend of action and environmental puzzles! Plus I think it was one of the first (and still one of the only) games to really do ďMetroidvaniaĒ well in 3D. And I love how this is one of the few games where interacting with the environment in ways enemies canít makes complete sense in regards to the story as well (the Chozo did make your suit after all.) And that jumping, how did they nail 1st person platforming so well?!

Iím not totally sure what the long term goal is with this playing a bunch of old games thing right now, but I feel like I might just play through the whole game again?

Random: Itís kind of funny to me that we see a more specific representation of how the morph ball works in this game than we ever have, and it makes even less sense to me than whatever vague ideas I had before. So Samus just sort of curls up into a ball and a bigger metal ball forms around her? And then she rolls around like that?! And this works, somehow?!


Resident Evil 4 - GameCube


Progress: A few hours, at the start of chapter 2-1 (right after fighting the lake boss.)

Takeaway: Resident Evil 4 was another of my all-time favorite games and honestly, it still freaking destroys everything. I thought I would just pop it in for a bit but instead I played a few hours straight, staying up way too late on a work night. Every time I play through this game Iím once again amazed at how they made a 20ish hour action game and literally every part of it is memorable. Every new room or area I walk into I go ďoh yeah, this part!Ē There is pretty much no filler here. Not much more to say about it really than itís still awesome and Iím still loving it.

I will say this, outside of a little bit of Remake and Resident Evil 0 here and there at my cousinís, I had little exposure to Resident Evil before 4, so I never quite understood some of the complaints from diehard Resident Evil fans. But now that Iíve played almost every Resident Evil game, including all of the ones that preceded 4, I kind of get it. This is a very different type of game than the ones before it, and to people heavily invested in the survival horror / zombie / Umbrella Corp / etc. aspects of Resident Evil, 4 must have been an odd beast. But I came into it relatively distant from all of that, so I got to fully enjoy it for what it was, a spectacular action horror game!

I actually very much love both the survival horror and action horror Resident Evil styles (though the latter went downhill quickly after 4.) I just played through the survival horror focused remake of 2 and absolutely loved it, it was easily my GOTY of 2019. But man would I kill to have another action horror Resident Evil at the level of 4 or, gaspÖ even better?

I have this dream for Resident Evil where they split the franchise in two, and keep making survival horror and action horror games, and in my dream theyíre all amazing games.

A man can dreamÖ

Anyway, much like Metroid Prime Iím not sure what my plans are with this game right now, but I could definitely see myself playing through the whole game again.

Random: Iíve been exploring a bit deeper than I had in the past, and I keep finding stuff I never found before. Like, I found a beer mug hidden at the farm? Iíve played through this game many times before and never even saw this!


Resident Evil (Remake) - GameCube


Progress: A few hours into Chrisís path, just used the whistle to call the dogs to kill them to get a new key.

Takeaway: This is probably the game that most led to me rebuying the Wii. Not because I love it so much, although I do love it. But because I was bored at my cousinís house and started playing Chrisís path, which I had never played before (I only played through Remake once, with Jill), and then realized Iíd much rather play it at home on my own terms. I thought about buying the game again on a newer console, but I kept thinkingÖ I already have this game! So I bought a Wii instead.

Anyway, though Resident Evil 4 is and possibly always will be my favorite Resident Evil game, I do like the survival horror games a lot as well, and Iím glad both styles exist. And Remake is a great remake of the game that started it all, so itís a good one to play. Itís slow and tense and then when some bursts of action hit, itís very intense.

Considering that I basically bought a Wii to play this, I do intend to finish Chrisís path.

Random: I started playing on the harder mode of the two you can select but holy F there are way more zombies, without much ammo or healing items. I probably could have kept progressing but it just felt unclear to me what the game even expects you to do at points, since I would often have no ammo, no healing items, and need to get past some zombies that were definitely going to grab me. So I wussed out and went back to the easy mode But it feels a bit too easy! I think newer versions of Remake have 3 difficulty modes, I wonder if they balanced it out a bit and made a more middle ground mode?


Super Monkey Ball - GameCube


Progress: A half hour maybe? Got through the first set of stages, tried the second set, got kind of far, died.

Takeaway: This is another one of my favorite games of all-time (GameCube was pretty awesome, eh?) It was also notoriously hard. Replaying it years later, I figured I could jump back in pretty easily, but oh man was I wrong. Itís so tough! And you need to be so precise at times! And the camera isnít always on your side! I wouldnít say I had a bad experience replaying it, but I think Iíd need to really relearn how to play this game again if I wanted to get much further into it.

I didnít really get a chance to try out the multiplayer this time around but this game had some pretty sick multiplayer too. Though I actually think the sequel is better for the multiplayer. 4 player simultaneous Monkey Target!

Random: I always loved the way that you play through the end credits collecting all of the letters that you can, and in fact, the game I am developing has something very similar that was definitely inspired by Super Monkey Ball.


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader - GameCube


Progress: An hour or so, finished the first 3 stages, which include the Death Star attack and Hoth.

Takeaway: I liked this game a lot in the past, though playing it now some parts feel a bit outdated. Especially since I am recently coming off of Ace Combat 7, which controls pretty spectacular for a flight shooter, the controls of Rogue Leader feel a bit wonky. When youíre flying over a surface it is fine, but when youíre in full 3d outer space it kind of tries to auto-correct things a lot, and gets confusing. Some of the mission objectives are a bit unclear as well, and it has a lot of ďmake sure this thing isnít destroyedĒ type missions which are fine, I suppose, but can be frustrating when the thing is blown up and you donít even totally understand what enemies blew it up.

With that said itís still a lot of fun. The missions are varied and usually have multiple objectives that change on the fly. Iíve been on a bit of a Star Wars kick lately and itís hitting the spot. I doubt I will replay the whole game but I might do a few more missions.

Random: I totally forgot that you actually play as mother f-ing Wedge Antilles in some of the missions in this game. Wedge is the GOAT.


F-Zero GX - GameCube


Progress: Not a whole lot, a handful of races.

Takeaway: I love F-Zero GX but holy cow do I suck at it now. Iím sure if I put the time in I could get good again, but I spent most of my races just smacking into walls left and right and feeling like I had no control over anything.

Iím not saying the game didnít pass the test of time or anything like that, just that it has a learning curve and if you havenít played it in awhile, you might be surprised at how much you forgot. That muscle memory just isnít there for me anymore.

Still looks very pretty though! And I do want to give it another shot. Maybe Iíll get back into my groove.

Random: I feel like Iím the only person in the world who mained Beastman. The Hyper Speeder is awesome though!


Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - GameCube


Progress: About a half hour, finished the first 4 worlds.

Takeaway: First off, I forgot how quickly these worlds go by. Just two short levels and a boss! To be honest I remember really loving this game back when it released, but playing through it now it just feltÖ well, it still feels pretty good, but not really something I need to play a bunch more of again. I do think it has some nice creative glimpses of the future from the team that went on to make Super Mario Galaxy. And honestly, you canít beat a platformer that you control with bongos for the uniqueness factor.

I do remember getting deeper into the combo system back in the days, so maybe thatís where the depth lies. But I just donít have the time and energy to get back into this game for high scores, so I guess this is it for me and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat for now.

Random: I got stuck at the pre-title screen for like a minute wondering what was wrong because I didnít realize it was asking me to clap 3 times quickly. Oops.


Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour - GameCube


Progress: Less than an hour, played 18 holes on the sand course.

Takeaway: This was a huge game for my cousin and I, because our gaming tastes didnít always overlap, but we both loved golf games. So I played a ton of this with him over the years, and he keeps asking to play it again, and I keep having to remind him that I have no way to play my GameCube games anymore. Had no way. Now we can play it again!

Iíd say itís still pretty fun! Some of the controls can be a bit confusing if you havenít played it in awhile, likeÖ start your swing with this button, and after starting, use one button if you want an auto shot, use a different button if you want manual, and then use one of these 4 two button combinations for the different types of spin. Whoosh! I kept doing the wrong thing in my 2020 playthrough.

But still, itís a great game in a series that kind of died (the 3ds game was solid but not quite the same as the big screen experience, and we havenít seen once since) so while I might not play it a bunch on my own, I can see popping it in sometimes when my cousin is over.

Random: Birdoís big olí snout gets in the way when youíre trying to putt.


Super Mario Galaxy - Wii


Progress: An hour or so, got the first 3 stars.

Takeaway: Though Iíd give the sequel (which is with my nieces and nephews right now) the nod, both Galaxy games are for me some of the best 3D platforming there is. Itís an interesting concept that Nintendo managed to pull off very well.

Playing it now, it still works, though there is definitely a bit of a learning curve when it comes to moving around the spheres and getting the camera where you want it. Itís not a huge deal though, and everything feels so smooth. I didnít really get far enough in to see some of the most creative stuff again, but what I played was pretty fun, so I do want to keep playing more.

The waggle stuff is definitely unnecessary though. As you will see below, I think the Wii pointer / motion controls passed the test of time more than I expected them to, but in a game like this it just feels forced.

Random: I know some people see it as a ďgimmickĒ that should stick to the Galaxy games, but I really feel like the gravity mechanics / sphere worlds they introduced expanded the genre of 3D platforming as a whole, and should come back in future games. Better yet, just make Super Mario Galaxy 3!


Sin & Punishment: Star Successor - Wii


Progress: About 20ish minutes, got through the tutorial and the first stage?

Takeaway: I absolutely loved this game back when it released, it felt like it took what I loved about 2D SHMUPs and brought it all into 3D in a pretty brilliant way. While Star Successor lost a bit of the ďthis is almost like Star Fox!Ē feel of the original Sin & Punishment, it was so sleek and action packed that it was hard to complain.

It might not seem like it based on my super short playtime, but I jumped back into it and was enjoying myself all over again. This game is intense! I love how it has shooting and melee attacks, and you can use melee to hit stuff back at enemies. And it really feels like one of the best uses of the Wii controller, taking traditional controls and combining them with pointer aiming very fluidly.

Absolutely want to play more, at some point. Although the servers for the leaderboards are no longer up. Boo.

Random: Does anybody have any idea WTF the story in these games is? Itís very incomprehensible to me.


Wii Sports Resort - Wii


Progress: About an hour, played each sport once.

Takeaway: Iím going to be honest, I mostly popped this game in because you canít write about the Wii without writing about Wii Sports (and Resort is the apex of Wii Sports), figuring Iíd play it for 15 minutes or so and move on, but then I remembered how frickiní awesome it is! Archery! Dog frisbee! Table tennis! And of course the classics like golf and bowling. Sure it has some stinkers too but there is enough good stuff here for a consistently great time, especially if you have friends to play with. I didnít have friends to play with this time around, but I mean, in theory. And the Wii MotionPlus controllers work very well!

Even if almost nothing else used them since! Itís probably still one of the fullest realizations of motion controls, and it actually makes me kind of sad that they couldnít find a way to implement some of this stuff into other games. Archery especially seems like one that would be great in an action / adventure game, but itís hard to imagine how to get it to work in that type of game when youíre already using both of your hands just for the bow controls. How would you move / jump / etc.?. Ah well, someday, I believe, developers and new technologies will solve these issues and weíll have some truly immersive games. For now though, Wii Sports Resort feels like it occupies a unique little spot in gaming history. I guess VR is keeping motion alive a bit, but it still feels like motion controls died too soon!

Random: I think that Iíve seen that unskippable 3 minute movie at the start of this game like 5 different times now. UG.


Rhythm Heaven Fever - Wii


Progress: 20 or 30 minutes, played through the first few stages.

Takeaway: Rhythm Heaven Fever was one of those rare Nintendo Wii games that completely ignored the Wii controls and focused on button pushing without any waggle thrown in. While this could be disappointing in some cases, for a precise rhythm game it was probably the best choice. And this also means that itís a very easy game to jump right back into! Itís kind of hard to not pass the test of time when your entire game boils down to ďpush the button/s at the right time.Ē

So yeah, itís still a lot of fun and itís easy to jump right back into as if I never went away. Not sure how much of this I will replay again, but itís definitely a good one to hop on for a few minutes here and there.

Random: Karate Man for Smash!


Trauma Center: New Blood - Wii


Progress: An hour or so, finished the first few missions.

Takeaway: This is actually one of the first games I started replaying right when I got my Wii, because I wanted an experience I havenít had in awhile, and Trauma Center is very much an experience you canít easily get with a traditional controller. So that also means this was my first Wii game experience in a long, long time. Many years at this point. Admittedly, even though I championed them at the time, I kind of assumed that the Wii pointer / motion controls would feel super outdated by now, and a game like this that relies on them so heavily would be hard to play in 2020.

I was wrong! This game feels very smooth! Even back in the days I remember being surprised at how well they pulled off the controls. The DS had a screen that you directly touched, so there was a more clear sense of space and feedback in the DS Trauma Center. In the Wii version youíre just kind of hovering your arm in the air. It could have turned out very poorly. But itís very easy to play.

And this kind of gameplay is just plain interesting. There isnít much like it on Nintendo consoles anymore. It was a series that had a bunch of games in a short amount of time and then died just as fast. Iíd definitely like to see this series return one day.

Random: Iím like 99% sure I could successfully perform any random surgery because of my competency in this game.


No More Heroes - Wii


Progress: About an hour, beat the first stage and boss.

Takeaway: No More Heroes was never quite at the level of a AAA polished game, but it had a fun battle system that actually utilized motion controls well, and an excellent soundtrack and punk rock aesthetics that made it stand out. Also you got to mow lawns. Playing it now in 2020 didnít quite get me hooked enough to want to play through the whole game again, but itís still an interesting experience, and it did make me excited for No More Heroes 3. Though, I wonder if No More Heroes without motion controls will feel like it is missing something a bit? Weíll see.

Random: That lightsabÖ I mean uh, beam sword... charge move tho.


Conclusion

There are many other games I would have liked to replay, like Viewtiful Joe, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Punch-Out!! Wii, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, etc. but as I said, a lot of them are not in my possession right now. Youíll probably also notice I didnít replay any Zelda games this time around, which if you know how much I love Zelda, might seem a bit odd. I do actually still have my copies of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess on me, but I guess to me Zelda is not the type of thing you can just jump into and play for an hour or so and get much out of it (and the one Iím most interested in replaying, Twilight Princess, starts off very slow.) With that said I really want to play multiplayer The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures again one of these days (only got about halfway through it, so there would still be a lot of new stages to play), but that is a tough one to get the people and gear together for. Maybe weíll have to make it happen at one of my rocking Chicago game parties! I feel like Iíve been saying that forever.

Iím going to get a bit serious at the end here though. I did have an odd moment where, in the midst of all of this GameCube / Wii era nostalgia, thinking about the past cut pretty deep. I feel like this relates to the GameCube era specifically because that was an era where I had a life that at the time felt kind of mundane, but that I greatly miss in some ways. My brother, a few of my cousins, and I would meet up at my one cousinís almost every weekend for weekend-long sleepovers and play the heck out of the GameCube (and occasionally PS2, and others.) This went on for years. We especially played a lot of multiplayer games, like the aforementioned Mario Golf and Super Monkey Ball, as well as Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Bomberman, 4 Swords Adventures, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Soccer Slam, and more. But we played single player games there as well, and he had 2 TVs in his room, so often we would have multiple games going at once. And well... time has passed and weíre all still friends, but things changed and we all finally grew up (more or less) and we just donít get together to sit around playing video games for hours on end anymore. Heck, even on the rare occasion when we do get together and play some games, the stresses of adult life make it hard to just get lost in them the way we used to. That past is a slice of time that has been lost forever.

In my case, Iím 40 now, and realizing a lot of my goals and dreams arenít happening quite the way I had intended. Life has certainly gotten better in a lot of ways too. During the GameCube era I was in my 20s and struggling to figure out my career while totally failing at finding a good relationship, whereas now Iíve finally sorted my career out a bit and have an awesome wife that Iíve been with for 10 years. If Iím honest with myself my 20s were a pretty rough time for me and a lot of this nostalgia is probably happening through rose-colored glasses that donít fully reflect the realities involved. But when youíre 20 and struggling you at least still feel like you have this vast and open future to sort it all out in, while when youíre 40 and still struggling, you start to wonder how much of it you will ever get sorted out before the curtain starts to close. So my life is good in many ways but times are still tough, thinking about the past can hurt a bit, and man do I miss those near weekly gaming binges where I could shut my mind off a bit, gorge on sour patch kids and Arizona iced teas, and play Nintendo games all weekend long. I still try to have gaming parties on occasion, but theyíre rare and not quite the same.

Nostalgia is definitely a double-edged sword. Wield it at your own risk!

Regardless, I feel like this was a $40 very well spent (especially since it was refunded like 2 days later anyway.) Iíve already gotten hours and hours of fun out of my new Wii, and although I have no idea how much I really want to sit around playing a bunch of old games when my backlog on new games is seemingly endless, I feel like Iím now re-hooked on a few of them. Special thanks to my wife for watching me hovering on the Amazon purchase page for like 20 minutes unable to decide if I should really buy a console that I had already owned just to play a bunch of games that I have already played to death for telling me that if I want it, I should just get it. Nostalgia may be a double-edged sword, but the GameCube and Wii eras were both pretty freaking sweet. Iím glad that I have a way to experience their respective games again.

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Posted: 01/30/20, 19:33:05  - Edited by 
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I'm telling ya man. 2020 is the year of 2003 and 2009.

I'll have many more insightful thoughts to share in a few days!


Posted by 
 on: 01/30/20, 20:04:12
Awesome write-up, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I definitely have very specific memories with each generation of gaming (stretching all the way back to the NES). The GCN days in particular were when the console wars were in full force for me, since it's when I really started posting on message boards and would bring that argumentative spirit to my friends' and cousins' places! But by and large, I still think the GCN era is one of Nintendo's best...possibly the last gen of theirs where I'd put several of its games on my "all-time greatest" list (although the Switch is starting to come close, actually!).

Most of the highlighted games here have stood the test of time well. Prime, Galaxy, RE4 (the thread of which I bump periodically) are top-notch and Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, F-Zero, Mario Golf and Wii Sports Resort are all great examples of purchase-worthy games with fairly fresh mechanics. Jungle Beat and S&P too; heck, I'd just quote the whole lot of 'em really.

Two things drag the Wii down for me a bit these days though: one is the Wiimote's battery life, which is awful and constantly drains even when it's off. The other is the forced motion controls for (even great) games like Galaxy, which...I dunno, I just don't want to deal with 'em, you know? Maybe it's just laziness, but I have no problem playing Ring Fit Adventure or Wii Sports or some other dedicated motion-based game. Just thinking about having to move around my arm for gameplay elements that don't need them is a weird niggling turn-off on the same level as not wanting to switch out game cartridges. Weird, huh?

Lately we've been playing Fortune Street with the in-laws. That little game has given us lots of fun!


Posted by 
 on: 01/30/20, 21:51:22
Zero said:

Random: I totally forgot that you actually play as mother f-ing Wedge Antilles in some of the missions in this game. Wedge is the GOAT.

Indeed.

Wedge sighed and lowered his voice. ďTycho, weíre about to achieve a tremendous victory we donít want.Ē
Tycho gave him a thin smile. ďWeíll put that in your biography. General Antilles was so good he couldnít fail when he tried to.Ē
ďThanks

All hail Wedge Antillies, Envy of all Corellia!


BTW, when the heck are we getting Gamecube (and N64) games on Switch?


Posted by 
 on: 01/30/20, 21:59:47  - Edited by 
 on: 01/30/20, 22:00:34
A Novella: By Andrew

Super Monkey Ball is really freaking hard. Even the demo of the Banana Blitz port. The last level was so frustrating! It's fun to play the original arcade cab at Galloping Ghost, because the stick is a big, analog banana.

F-Zero GX(/AX) is another game that I mainly revisit at the Ghost. In that crazy cabinet. It always takes me a while to remember that you basically have to boost all the time to win.

And I always forget to bring my Gamecube Memory Card to unlock stuff on GX.

Wii Sports Resort was super cool. That game and NintendoLand always impressed me, due to the amount of unique gameplay, as well as the depth of content for each activity.

And I think that the Mario Golf 3DS DX is a shoo-in for Switch. They just need to include the DLC, spruce up the graphics, polish it up, expand the local multiplayer options, and pad out the campaign a bit. Guaranteed hit!

Zero said:

And donít tell Anand I said this, but scanning does feel kind of like an unnecessary addition.

Vindication!!

You know how I know that I'm always right? Because my opinion never changes on anything. Citizen Kane bored me as a seven-year old, and it still bores me today! The Beatles were the best band in the world when I was three, and guess what??

I briefly thought that I had been wrong about sloppy joes, but then it turned back around. It was just a bad joe!

That said, I am kind of scared to reevaluate the Transformers cartoon...


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 15:30:51  - Edited by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:34:37
I love this post so much. I'm jealous at the thought of revisiting all those great games, especially since I have a whole room dedicated to retro gaming! Unfortunately, I have too much crap, and that room ends up being used as storage and not as intended. One day!

@Anand

I need to go to Galloping Ghost waaaaay more often. It's a crime I'm not there more regularly.


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 17:57:14
Get Fragile something something The Moon something.

I always wanted that game and absolutely hated myself for not getting it. One of the guiltiest I've ever been about missing a game.


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 18:00:34
@Brandon I know our game party choices usually end up based on the people there and the momentum of the night and all but I'd LOVE to do some classic GameCube / Wii (mostly GameCube) multiplayer stuff one time. Especially 4 Swords Adventure, we have to have the gear for it between all of us, right?! Have we ever all played it together? I think maybe Anand has played it with my cousins and brother and I? Not sure if you have though? IT'S SO MUCH FUN. And also Mario Party 4, heck even if we have like 8 people at a party we can make it work, do teams of 2 and such and pass the controllers around.

@Anand Well just you wait, because here comes more updates. (In fact, I'll probably semi-regularly post updates in here for as long as this 2020 Wii train keeps on pushing.)

UPDATES

Metroid Prime - First off, I'm retracting my statement on scanning. I think I was just kind of frustrated at the controls early on in this replay, but now that I've picked them back up again it all feels nice. You barely ever have to scan, but it really does come in handy to solve some of these environmental puzzles. And using it optionally to pick up lore and such is cool. I think this game found a good balance there. Overall, it's a net gain. BRING BACK SCANNING FOR METROID PRIME 4! Take that, Anand!

Anyway, I got a bit further in and... I'm at Phendrana Drifts already? Honestly if you had asked me before this replay when you hit Phendrana I would have said late game, after 10 or 15 hours or so, but my game time isn't that much over 2 hours. I absolutely don't remember hitting Phendrana this early but I guess my memory must suck because here I am.

I know it's 3 systems ago but this game still looks freaking amazing to me. There is this room in Magmoor where you walk in and it's basically just a land bridge but the ground has this glowing fog so the bridge stands out as this single dark path in an otherwise glowing room and I was just like DAMN, this is brilliant. Imagine if they could pull something like this off in Prime 4! I need to get a capture card or something one of these days because trying to explain this in text does it no justice, but the attention to detail and environmental design is so good.

The game is so good too. I think one thing (among many) Metroid is still the champion of in "Metroidvania" is making sure power-ups actually power you up and aren't just glorified "keys" that you use to progress and not much else. The deeper you get into the game, the more fun it is to just move around. Things like the morph ball, boost ball, spider ball, space jump, grappling hook, hell even bombs... it is all used to navigate the world in interesting ways and makes moving around the world feel better and better over time.

So yeah, scanning isn't bad, game is still awesome.


Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour - So I theoretically thought in some vague future my cousin and I might play this again without knowing if and when it would happen, but he came over last night and wanted to play so we played 4 straight 9 hole (random) rounds.

First round, on the Cheep Cheep Falls (2nd hardest of 6), it was a nail biter. We were tied up until the very last hole, and it looked like we were probably just going to tie the whole match. But I fucking NAILED a chip-in from like 40 yards out to win by 1 stroke. Can't have a much better win than that.

1 - 0 - 0 in favor of Zero

Second round, on the Blooper Bay (4th hardest of 6) was a lot of ups and downs, but it ended in a tie.

1 - 0 - 1 in favor of Zero

Third round, on Peach's Castle Grounds (5th hardest of 6) also had a lot of ups and downs, but my cousin choked on one hole and got like a 9 or something, and never recovered. I won by like 7 strokes or so.

2 - 0 - 1 in favor of Zero

Fourth round, we went backwards a bit in challenge and played Shifting Sands (3rd hardest of 6). It was close for awhile with a lot of ups and downs and coming into the last few holes we were only separated by 1 stroke, but he choked a bit near the end so I won by 3 strokes.

Final:
3 - 0 - 1 in favor of Zero

I'm going to be honest, I'm kind of surprised by this, neither of us have really played the game in years aside from my brief foray earlier this week and we were always close but he usually had the edge in the past, I'd say he probably won like 60% of our games. But I killed it.


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 18:07:17  - Edited by 
 on: 02/08/20, 07:55:42
@Brandon
Duuude, we should all hit the Ghost together! NW field trip! I usually only go with my nephews, and I barely get any time to appreciate any of the obscurities. It's mostly just GRID, NBA Jam, NFL Blitz, some Arm Wrestling, and then two minute hits of tons of other stuff. With copious amounts of candy flowing. (Speaking of which, I hate how they tell you to spit your gum out when you enter. It feels like gym class.)

A little while ago, I went with a non-gamer buddy, and we paid for the video arcade + pinball. And then we left after, like, 90 minutes. So wasteful!

@Zero
I'd be down for a retro multiplayer partay. Wario Ware Mega Party Games, Timesplitters...

Yeah, we've done Four Swords a couple of times. We always play until someone's GBA disconnects. It only supports four people, though.

And we never really do any handheld stuff, either. That would be one way to deal with the extra people. Freakin' Band Brothers!

But, yeah, unless all of the attendees are hardcore dorks like us, we're gonna end up playing stuff like Jackbox most of the time. (That's fun, too, though!)

Actually, your wedding was a pretty hardcore session. A feast of 6p-8p Smash and Towerfall!

Zero said:

First off, I'm retracting my statement on scanning. I think I was just kind of frustrated at the controls early on in this replay, but now that I've picked them back up again it all feels nice. You barely ever have to scan, but it really does come in handy to solve some of these environmental puzzles. And using it optionally to pick up lore and such is cool. I think this game found a good balance there. Overall, it's a net gain. BRING BACK SCANNING FOR METROID PRIME 4! Take that, Anand!

God(s), that would be so awful. Metroid should not have reading! Maybe a short paragraph at the beginning and end, but that's it. The Last Metroid Is In Captivity. Now go. Observe, shoot stuff, and bomb stuff.

Metroid basically invented subtle environmental storytelling! That's why Super M is so gooood!

Imagine, in Luigi's Mansion 3, if you had to read text about every picture before finding one that said "This one looks haunted. You may want to shine your black light on it!". Metroid Prime shouldn't be like a graphical adventure game, either.

Anyway, if you play the Metroid Prime Trilogy, it has some extra control options, y'know.


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 19:11:05  - Edited by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:33:33
@Zero
@Anand

Yes, yes, and yes to everything!!! Retro and Galloping Ghost and all of the above! I don't recall what I have and haven't participated in over the years, but it's always been a great time. And I would totally imagine we have enough of the hardware needed for everything between us. Let's try it aaaaallllllllllll!!!!!!!


Posted by 
 on: 02/01/20, 19:32:47
Anand said:


That said, I am kind of scared to reevaluate the Transformers cartoon...


....Which direction? And are we talking just the series or the movie? Because Transformers'86 will always remain dope.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:27:12
@Shadowlink
The series. That show and GI Joe used to be my jam, but they probably don't hold up.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:32:28
Anand said:
Imagine, in Luigi's Mansion 3, if you had to read text about every picture before finding one that said "This one looks haunted. You may want to shine your black light on it!"

Isn't that exactly how Luigi's Mansion 3 is though!? I'm only past, like, the second boss, but so far there's been a ton of "Luigi, not that room! Head to the location marked on your map!" I remember all that stuff being a lot more optional in Metroid Prime, but now I'm nervous to replay it...

...which I've been considering! It's funny how there are so many people on Twitter asking for re-releases of these old games, and how whenever they do re-release an old game I get excited for it, when in reality I have every one of these sitting on my shelf and can go back to any one of them whenever I want. Why wait!? (I mean, I guess one reason to wait is that Gamecube games don't look great on giant HDTVs, but they're not terrible! Did anyone here ever get those component cables? Worth it?)

Has Shirley been watching you play any of these games, Zero? Is she interested at all? I love sharing games and movies I love with other people almost more than I love playing them myself, and the older I get the more appeal I see in starting a family and harnessing my ability to create human beings who I can force to hang out with me.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:47:18
@Secret_Tunnel It is more optional in Prime! I don't know what Anand is talking about! You can almost entirely skip scanning outside of some obvious things like computers and elevators and a few puzzles that are like "scan the 4 symbols in this room to unlock a door" and such. The vast majority of it is just optional lore, creature info, etc. stuff.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 00:50:56
I've been considering doing this too, because my GameCube and my original Wii both kicked the bucket near the end of their respective generation, leaving me with no way to play GameCube games. I haven't played the likes of Super Mario Sunshine and F-Zero GX in years. I keep waiting for Nintendo to re-release them... but they just don't. Usually I'd just say screw 'em and turn to emulation, but I don't have a computer capable of running Dolphin well, and the Android version isn't quite there yet in terms of performance.

... I also just remembered that I let a friend borrow Super Mario Sunshine and she never returned it. We're no longer friends, so I guess I'd have to hit up ebay to replace that as well. Rats.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 01:55:07
This rock is composed of Bombium. Maybe you can bomb it...


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 01:57:33
@Anand But you didn't have to scan the rock! You could have just tried out what you have and if nothing works, move on!

BTW, sort of related though not quite, you guys all know you can turn hints off right? The thing that basically tells you what room you should try to get to next? I don't like hints in Metroid so I always turn them off right away.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 02:28:03  - Edited by 
 on: 02/02/20, 02:28:38
@Anand

Yeah, I watched it for nostalgia purposes about 15 years back, it's pretty wacky. But the movie takes it to a whole other level. Animation is better, characters actually die, and the soundtrack is still kickass.

Forget the series, rewatch the movie. lol.


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 04:44:05
@Shadowlink
Dude, I'll never forget the movie. It blew my young mind. Transformers died AND swore! That GI Joe Serpentor TV movie was pretty badass, too. Who was he cloned from, again? Like, Hitler and Genghis Khan and Cleopatra, or something?


Posted by 
 on: 02/02/20, 05:14:20
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Metroid Prime - Finished replaying Metroid Prime!

Took me about 14 hours. I think my first time was around 20, so it's a bit speedier now.

Still an awesome game.

THOUGH... there are a few small things near the end I dislike.

1. There is a large stretch of the mines with no saves and it culminates in a fight against some new... thing? that confuses me every time I play the game. And I die on it sometimes. I think you need to go into a different visor to see it or something? But I tried that this time and it wasn't working? So I died. Got back there, was still confused. To be honest I just kind of kept shooting at the air not sure if I was hitting it. Eventually beat it, but not even sure how. NOT the kind of thing you should put at the end of a long stretch with no saves. What is this, Dark Souls?!

2. That damn room in the impact crater with the endlessly respawning new Metroid types and lots of tiny platforms that you need to use to get way up to the top of and those Metroids just keep hitting you off when you almost made it. And then there is no save after it so if you die on the boss you get to do it all over again. I don't mind that room per se but there should be a save right before the boss. Don't make me redo the annoying room every time I lose against the boss. The boss fight is long enough as it is. Come on.

Also, I'm not sure if this is the game's fault or not, but... I got deep into the mines and ended up at that room where there is a huge gap you can't cross and some Metroids. Well, I need something else right? So I go ALL THE WAY out of the mines. And find the grappling hook. And come ALL THE WAY back in. And... that's not what you need. Hmm. Go ALL THE WAY out again. Find the x-ray visor. Go ALL THE WAY back in. That's it! I can cross that section now using hidden platforms! And then... like a room or two past it, there is a red door I can't get past. WHAT. Go ALL THE WAY out of the mines. Find the plasma beam. Go ALL THE WAY back in. Yep, that's it, finally.

This is what happens when you turn hints off, lol.

Still, it sounds like I'm complaining, but I mostly love the game. It's just so sleek and well designed and it was a great replay. I'm just nitpicking a bit here.

But I ESPECIALLY love that part near the end where you screw these platforms and the entire ceiling raises and there is a HUGE spider ball portion that spans across the whole ceiling. In later Prime games they do a bit more with the morph ball but in this game the morph ball portions are not usually so huge, so it really stands out like WOAH. So epic.

Should I replay Prime 2 and Prime 3? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. I dunno. We'll see.


Posted by 
 on: 02/06/20, 07:24:27  - Edited by 
 on: 02/08/20, 07:55:15
Fragile Dreams: Farewell to the Moon.

Look it up. Looks really interesting.


Posted by 
 on: 02/07/20, 19:26:40
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