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@InfinitywaveThey should be first to market if they go for 2017 as well. I don't think Sony and MS are going to be in any particular rush to release their next consoles, and I don't think anybody should expect Nintendo to release something that is going to make the PS4 or One graphics look inferior.
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on: 03/28/15, 22:30 |
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@DrFinkelsteinIt wasn't a guess. It was an informed prediction basedon trends for 3D Zelda (I should have specified that rather than just 'Zelda') V_s said:
Well Skyward Sword was never delayed...
I'm fairly certain it was:
http://au.ign.com/articles/2010/01/06/zelda-sequel-confirmed-for-2010Only 2 of the 18 games have ever been delayed though... That's not exactly what I'd call "standard". Well it's more than 2. And if you throw in the 3D qualifier (originals, not remakes), the strike rate goes way down. 4 of the 5 were delayed. Only Majora's Mask hit on schedule and that reused OoT assets. carlosrox said:@Shadowlink It wasn't hard to call, but there was also no reason based on what we knew, Nintendo's track record lately, their situation with Wii U, and their insistence just 3 months ago that this was arriving this year. That's just it, Nintendo's track record with 3D Zelda is pretty sketchy. I'd hardly call that 'no reason'. Nintendo says a lot of things. Then we get Iwata asking us to 'Please understand'. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/03/reminder-nintendo-has-been-delayingzeldagames-for-decadesI'm not sure why you guys are taking such an exception to this observation.
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@Hinph, I meant first to market in the sense of whatever the special technology is for the NX. If it's something unique and groundbreaking they might want to get it to consumers before any other company is using it. Nintendo is never going to be the first to release the most powerful machine, I wasn't suggesting that. In fact because of that, it probably benefits Nintendo to get more out of step with the other two's cadence. MAYBE: Ideally they would launch with a machine that has the power of the current massmarket 2-3 years after that has been established. With the right architecture producing 3rd party games on their new hardware would be as simple as checking a box on the complier. Then they'd pick up 3rd party games for the life of the current massmarket, which also tends to carried on being supported for another 2 years after the power race moves to another generation. But on top of that they can afford to have some unique tech as well as compelling Nintendo games you can't find anywhere else. TL;DR: always release intentionally late but 3rd party friendly, and with the dropped cost of hardware they can afford to include uniquely Nintendo tech at a massmarket price. It's a less extreme model of what the Wii did, but with a more acceptable platform for mainstream publishers.
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@ShadowlinkI can't find any other source saying that SS was expected to be released in 2010. And I watched that E3 (where IGN is saying the delay was announced), and while the article is correct that it was at that E3 that they revealed the game would release in 2011, I can't find anything where they first said the game would release in 2010. Same deal with OoT and TWW. They were "delayed" in the sense that they were released later than the audience anticipated, but they never received a definitive release window that was then pushed back like TP and this game.
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I don't really think they'll bump it to NX, but it is a possibility... I mean I don't think it will happen but at the same time I wouldn't be totally surprised, it really does resemble the Twilight Princess situation. TriforceBun said:Also, no reason to believe yet that we won't get the Metch! True, I think maybe it's easier for me to believe it won't happen then set myself up for disappointment. I mean I'm still waiting for Metroid Dread on the DS!  Metroid 5 at E3 2015, Believe!!!!!
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03/29/15, 00:51 |
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I think the delay just stings more because of how few releases the Wii U is getting.
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@V_sI don't think this release window was any more definitive than the others. When your 'window' is the size of an entire year, that's hardly definitive.
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@InfinitywaveAh, gotcha. Yeah, hopefully their next concept is something really cool! They could totally bring back a lot of lost customers and third parties if they manage to release something that people can't help but like... hopefully something that appeals to gamers. Most gamers were going "Wii60" or "WiiS3" last generation, and I could see it happening again with another slightly less powerful Nintendo platform if they can pull that off. I feel like we've reached a real point of diminishing returns with graphics anyway. 8 years between Xbox 360 and One, and I haven't seen anything on the new consoles yet that makes the pretty games of last generation look bad in comparison. It's going to be even less impressive with the next leap. New experiences may finally take priority over slightly prettier visuals to more people, so Nintendo can hopefully make that work in their favor.
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Yeah! I don't see any downside to that. The only thing stopping them would be if NX is a handheld/console hybrid and they can't use something similar enough to x86 architecture to be able to be completely 3rd party friendly. Solve that problem and the barriers fall.
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Fairly routine delay. A lot of guys on this board have been joking about the game being delayed and now, lo and behold, it is. Upsides? Probably get a better game and Conzo might actually get a chance to play it at release now! I'm absolutely fine with waiting.
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on: 03/29/15, 02:12 |
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@ShadowlinkBut it's still a release date. Saying it's going to be released in 2015 is a release date of some kind. Saying nothing whatsoever about when it's going to be released can't be construed as a release date. Saying something is going to be released in 2015 and then saying it's probably not going to meet that date is a delay. Saying nothing about when the game is going to be released and then releasing the game a year later than the audience was expecting based solely on when Nintendo last showed off the game isn't the same thing.
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@kriswrightWhat's weird isn't the delay so much as the decision to not show it at all during E3. It was playable last year, so what's the holdup? Even a cool 2-minute trailer or whatever would be nice. It has me wondering if the game has been retooled somehow...
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on: 03/29/15, 04:47 |
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@TriforceBunYeah, I didn't catch that in the video. Not going to E3? That is a surprise. Raises a bunch of questions, but none that we're going to have answers to for a very long time.
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on: 03/29/15, 05:06 |
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@V_sDid you look at the links I posted at all? I'll drill down further for you if you like: http://au.ign.com/articles/1997/08/29/griffey-zelda-delayedhttp://au.ign.com/articles/2002/05/21/e3-2002-zelda-officially-delayedhttp://au.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-yearAgain, I reiterate: Delaying Zelda is nothing new. If you want to try and split hairs about whether you personally think a delay is 'official' or not, by all means, but most everyone else from Nintendo on down have characterized these as delays. Like Kris said, it's a running joke at this point. That doesn't materialize out of nothing.
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GOOD. Gives me some time to beat some other games!Now anyone who didn't get Hyrule Warriors can totally get H-Dubs for their Zelda fix, wooo. Don't miss this awesome game! And I started daydreaming the other day while playing...how much do we know about the new Zelda? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE CIA AND LANA AS PIVOTAL CHARACTERS!? OH MAN, THAT WOULD BE SA-WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
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on: 03/29/15, 15:07 |
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Mop it up said:I think the delay just stings more because of how few releases the Wii U is getting. Agreed.
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on: 03/29/15, 16:06 |
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Hinph said:8 years between Xbox 360 and One, and I haven't seen anything on the new consoles yet that makes the pretty games of last generation look bad in comparison. Have you seen The Order 1886 running in person? I'm not a PC guy so maybe I'm just ignorant but to me that game is a whole different level in terms of realistic textures and particle effects etc. Granted that's game's kind of an outlier so far, most of the games on the PS4/Xbone were obviously designed for the PS3/360 and just ported up, even exclusive stuff like Bloodborne doesn't look that good, much better than Dark Souls or whatever but a lot of the textures are blurry and compressed looking and the frame-rate staggers in big open areas. That's the one thing about this gen I don't get, maybe the consoles aren't super powerful compared to gaming PCs, but they're obviously much more powerful than last gen, are we really saying that a consistent frame-rate is impossible? Bah I say!
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on: 03/29/15, 19:05 |
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It does sting, especially because Zelda is the kind of game the Wii U is missing badly. We've got 2D platformers out the wazoo, frankly it's ridiculous how much of their resources is spent making 'em, plus the big multiplayer series, but we haven't had a meaty action game from Nintendo. No Prime. No Zelda. No 3D exploratory Mario. Nothing else new on the front either. (Pikmin 3 was brilliant but still, it's a more tactical strategy experience than a full blown action game)
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on: 03/29/15, 19:08 |
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@ShadowlinkYeah, I looked at them and did further independent research to see if I could find any mention of a specific launch window for any of the games. TP and Zelda Wii U seem to be the only games that received official launch windows from Nintendo that didn't meet those dates. All the other games mentioned don't seem to have received launch windows from Nintendo before their "delays". The closest we see to something like that is IGN claiming that Nintendo said SS would be out in 2010, but I can't find anything that actually provides a source to Nintendo themselves saying that SS would be out in 2010. EDIT: The article you recently linked about TWW does provide a release window, but it's a release window that Nintendo met. TWW did release in Japan at the end of 2002 and in the US towards the beginning of 2003.
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@InfinitywaveThe Wind Waker HD?
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