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Yooka-Laylee--PlayTonic's spiritual successor to Banjo-Kazooie
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February 10, 2015, 21:29:02
UPDATE: Kickstarter is live, funded, and up until Tuesday, June 16th! Let's hit some stretch goals!

PlayTonic site link

Go check it out! There's only a couple nuggets of info (and a mysterious piece of art), but apparently Edge will be releasing a new issue on Thursday with the first look at this new game, "Project Ukelele." My guess is some sort of Hawaiian-themed 3D platformer? I'm down.

If you’ve made it this far towards our fine internet abode, then you’ve probably worked out that we’re a new game developer, formed by some blokes who did those games you may or may not have liked as a nipper.

However, if you’ve stumbled here by accident in search of non-sexual relationship advice, allow us to explain what on Earth is going on…

Playtonic’s the name, and fun games, unique characters and absolutely-frickin-amazing worlds to explore are our game. Or at least they will be, once we eventually get around to releasing our first project instead of faffing around on WordPress.

Ahem. Currently we’re a sextet of artists, programmers and designers – sort of like The Pussycat Dolls with computer science degress – with one thing in common; we were all once core member of famous UK studio Rare, where we helmed franchises such as Banjo-Kazooie, Donkey Kong Country and Viva Piñata.

We’ve got the bloke who programmed Donkey Kong Country, the character designer behind Banjo and Kazooie, and the artist who made your console fit to burst with lavish environments across a decade’s worth of adventure games.

Together, our all-star ensemble is aiming to build its debut game, ‘Project Ukulele’, into a worthy spiritual successor to those fondly remembered platforming adventures we built in the past.

By now, you might be thinking, ‘hold on mate, didn’t you make similar claims after drinking too many shandies in the pub in 2012, you muppet?’ Perhaps. But this time it’s real! We’re making a real, proper, actual game. Look: we even managed to trick convince Edge magazine to do us some pages!

You can read all about our venture and see the first artwork for our game in Edge issue 277, which is on sale from February 12.

So what’s next? Well first of all you need to know that our journey is at an early stage – we’ve barely left the Shire and Sean Bean’s still an alright guy.

Over the coming months we’ll reveal more about our project and future growth plans, and we very much intend to get you involved and listen to your views on our game’s direction. You’ll ultimately shape the destination of our project and we plan to continue exchanging sweet glances across cyberspace at you until we get there.

So go on then – follow us on Twitter, slap your thumbs up on our Facebook and sign up for updates. ‘ Cos it’s time to get this wagon rolling…

(well, it definitely has Rare's quirky sense of humor and unusual vernacular)

What do you think?

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Posted: 02/10/15, 21:29:02  - Edited by 
 on: 04/05/17, 22:56:13    
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@J.K. Riki

You're not gonna do the whole JonTron is the victim thing here are you?

Posted by 
 on: 03/23/17, 23:16:06
@J.K. Riki No, no that's not very true at all.

It's more like don't dress up like a Nazi when you work for Disney and expect them to be cool with it. It doesn't really matter what percent of the population would or wouldn't support you, in fact Disney probably won't poll the population to find out. They just don't want to be associated with people who dress up like Nazis.

Likewise, as a teacher, I couldn't walk around on Halloween dressed up like Hitler and have a bunch of my students see me and think there would be no repercussions. I couldn't "heil" the principal on the street in full Nazi gear and expect to walk into my job the next day ok.

None of this is even particularly related to free speech, in the sense that free speech is about government censorship and these are private institutions. (My school is private anyway, some are not.)

Posted by 
 on: 03/23/17, 23:40:08  - Edited by 
 on: 03/23/17, 23:41:27
@J.K. Riki

He was free to say what he did. Platonic was free to remove him from their game. That IS free speech.

Posted by 
 on: 03/23/17, 23:48:27
Stephen said:
@J.K. Riki

You're not gonna do the whole JonTron is the victim thing here are you?

I have no idea who or what a JonTron is.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 05:25:29
@J.K. Riki

Well put simply, he was someone who said something and people jumped on him like you insinuated in your post.

Sometimes that isn't people overreacting, it is the appropriate response.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 06:15:00
Now that Trump is prez some people on the far right feel it's more socially acceptable to be outright xenophobic, which maybe it is, and of course it's your right to say stuff "I don't want people of certain races and/or religions immigrating to 'my' country", that's an opinion you're allowed to have, and one the President himself has.

Just don't act shocked when certain people or companies decide not to associate with you. Especially companies not based in the US.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 14:55:52
I actually sat down and watched the full stream of JonTron's debate last night, and... yeah, this isn't people overreacting, he definitely believes some very dumb, harmful stuff. I think Playtonic probably made the right decision, or at the very least, not an obviously horrible decision.

It makes me sad, though. A lot of people are reacting to this like they're at a birthday party. "Hooray! Fuck Jontron!!" To me, it's more like finding out that two of your friends just broke up. Like, hey, if that's what needed to happen, then it's for the best, but it still sucks to go through.

I think this is partially because I know people in real life who believe some of the same things that Jon believes. I love people in real life who believe what Jon believes. Those beliefs are harmful and have a negative impact, but I don't like the idea that a person is nothing more than their political beliefs. Playtonic didn't put Jontron in their game because he's a paragon of humanitarian virtue, they put him in because he's a funny dude who makes kids laugh. He's still a funny dude who makes kids laugh even though he's also a dumbass when it comes to his political beliefs. We can give him that credit, right? It's like not reading Ender's Game because Orson Scott Card is a homophobe. It's still a good book, his shitty beliefs don't have to invalidate everything else he ever did.

...at the same time, if Jontron wants to be known as a Youtube comedian, he shouldn't be going on streams spreading his right-wing ideas like it's the most important thing he can do. People hate on game developers all the time for only ever talking about social justice and nothing else; this is a similar deal. I know for a fact that if I played through Yooka-Laylee with my friends and met the character with Jontron's voice we'd totally be joking about how that character must be a white nationalist. It makes sense to nip that in the bud.

But it still sucks.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 18:27:42  - Edited by 
 on: 03/24/17, 18:30:25
Racism isn't a political belief like wanting to lower taxes or advocating for socialized health care. It's the type of belief that is a demonstrable threat to people's human rights and physical well-being. If someone pushes for any of that shit they don't get to use any other positive trait they may or may not have as a way to distract from that.

You can still be talented in all sorts of ways, and deserve acknowledgement for that, but if you're a racist asshole on top of that you deserve to have that acknowledged first and foremost.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 18:40:37
That visual cracked me up. Thanks for that.

Eh, people like that often get away with the shit they say with a slap on the wrist. I don't blame people for considering this a small victory. Isn't the dude a fucking millionare? Boo hoo he lost a voice acting gig. Over some atrocious beliefs mind you. No biggie. He still has millions of subscribers, I'm not about to feel sorry for him at all. He's an adult, he knows what he's saying. Him believing in this shit doesn't even make sense since his dad's a fucking immigrant, and he himself is half Iranian. Talk about disrespectful. There's just no excuse for him. He's not some tragic racist who grew up in the south and doesn't know any better. Like I said, no excuse for his disgusting beliefs.

Not gonna lie about the schadenfreude here.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 19:24:50
@Secret_Tunnel Some people might be like that because JonTron has a (recent?) history of saying dumb things like this:

OPPRESSION TEST: Can you drive to McDonalds not in hijab and get biggest Big Mac value meal? If yes: Not oppressed

Guys, hate to break it to you, supporting an entire gender on virtue of its gender is something called "SEXIST". (re: women's march, though he claimed it had nothing to do with the women's march, despite posting it a few days after the women's march when everyone was talking about the women's march)

So I guess some people felt like this was karma finally catching up to him. I mean look, he'll be fine. He's still going to have millions of followers. Hell, he still got paid for this work as far as I can gather, it's just not going to appear in the game. But yeah, I think people with harmful ideas getting some repercussions is a good thing.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 19:35:32
We know cases like Mel Gibson, Hulk Hogan, and Michael Richards had their careers and public standing seriously damaged to the point that it's probably one of the first things you remember about them. Jontron said stuff that was easily as bad as those guys (maybe even moreso depending how you stack racial slurs vs. racist ideas). He needs to suffer the consequences. Jim Sterling wrote an article which basically said how stuff like this slides for youtubers when other notable people don't get away with it. The example he uses is Richard Gere and how if he said the same stuff his career would be over. He then goes on to point out how Jontron is more relevant to kids and young adults than Richard Gere ever will be and thus it's important that Jon be held to the same standards.

If Jon were to renounce his views in a sincere way there could be a path forward for him. Currently though, he's put up an unlisted apology where he doesn't really apologize for anything he said. He apologizes for being unprepared for the debate, for arguing poorly, if anyone was offended etc. But never does he actually condemn the things he said.

And I'm sorry but there's no tolerance for intolerance. Other people's right to exist and live freely as equals isn't up for debate. That goes not only for Jontron but everyone trying to offer up a both sides approach or excuse it away or point to the media as the real problem. Jon said what he said. He meant it. Fuck him and if you want to stand by him then fuck you too.

Posted by 
 on: 03/24/17, 20:31:40
What'd Hulk Hogan do? News to me.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 00:18:23
You don't remember that? Even I remember it and I don't follow wrestling. Someone leaked a Hogan sex tape a few years back and during part of it he went on a super racist rant.

(Note: I don't watch leaked sex tapes but I definitely heard about this.)

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 00:48:32  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/17, 00:48:51
Lots of folks on YouTube denounced the fact that this happened to JonTron and they vowed to not buy that 'piece of shit' game. It's amazing how people will turn on a product so fast. I figure half of those folks are lying and will still buy the game, and that the other half is not really significant enough to hurt sales.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 04:13:52
@DrFinkelstein So it'll lose 100 sales maybe. I've seen a lot of people on my Twitter claiming they were on the fence but will definitely buy the game too now, though these type of people don't feel the need to rush forums to post it. Truth is though most gamers either won't know or won't care about this "controversy".

As a will soon to be commercial(-ish) developer I can honestly say that I would be ok with anyone who is mad that I stood up against racism just plain not buying my game. I don't need their money.

Buit then again I work alone so... this type of scenario would never happen anyway, lol.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 04:15:33  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/17, 04:20:29
I remember when this thread about about Yooka-Laylee.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 04:37:44
The karma/schadenfreude thing makes sense to me, as does not giving a platform to racism. I just don't like that if you're not 100% enthusiastic about the whole thing,

Stephen said:
then fuck you too.

Like, Stephen, I agree with 95% of your post, but because I think there's a small possibility that perhaps Jontron isn't the scum of the earth, I'm the enemy? Unless that last paragraph wasn't directed at me and you were just speaking in general, which might be worse because you're almost making an enemy out of someone on your side. This is why you don't say "fuck so and so"!

When you do tolerate people's intolerance, and you do take the time to debate other people's right to exist and live freely as equals, the other person always ends up looking like an idiot, as proven by Destiny taking the time to talk to Jontron.

Scott Alexander said:
A parable: Sally is a psychiatrist. Her patient has a strange delusion: that Sally is the patient and he is the psychiatrist. She would like to commit him and force medication on him, but he is an important politician and if push comes to shove he might be able to commit her instead. In desperation, she proposes a bargain: they will both take a certain medication. He agrees; from within his delusion, it’s the best way for him-the-psychiatrist to cure her-the-patient. The two take their pills at the same time. The medication works, and the patient makes a full recovery.

(well, half the time. The other half, the medication works and Sally makes a full recovery.)


If you genuinely believe that facts and logic don’t work on at least 50% of the population, again, you shouldn’t be writing articles with potential solutions. You should be worrying whether you’re in that 50%. After all, how did you figure out you aren’t? By using facts and logic? What did we just say?

I don't expect Jontron to change his mind anytime soon. Come on, that's not how you guys came to believe anything that you believe--at least not before you attained the ability to quickly change your mind in the face of evidence. It's gonna be a slow process. I don't know what we do with him in the meantime, but treating him like a human is probably a good idea.

And I know you know that just because something happened to Hulk Hogan (because of a private moment he never intended the world to see), that doesn't automatically make it the right consequence that all racists should face.

@J.K. Riki

This stuff is way more interesting than Yooka-Yaylee! We already have a Banjo-Kazooie thread, but the politics thread...

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:21:51  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:23:23
Secret_Tunnel said:
treating him like a human is probably a good idea.

I like this part. I am in support of this bit here.

EDIT: I also like the bit where Secret_Tunnel is Pro-talking to people instead of telling them F You. I find that has a lot more chance of changing them and the world for the better over cursing them out. Just my experience. I can't recall a time where saying F You to someone made them renounce their ways and help orphans, but maybe I've just lived a sheltered life. I'm certainly open for learning about times when that has been the case. Yet to see one.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:35:29  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:38:48

I wasn't speaking to you or anyone who is ignorant of what JonTron said. That paragraph is geared towards people in general like Boogie or Total Biscuit who will say that they disagree with Jon but then attack the media because they reported on the things he said or call it a witch hunt. I'm all for debating racists and attempting to educate them on a personal level but it requires the person to be open to it.

In the meantime, I am not not treating Jon like a person. I don't deny his right to exist, live where he wants, say what he wants, etc.When I say 'fuck him' I mean that I have no sympathy that he lost his VA gig and I don't really care about him until he denounces his views.

I don't see what nuance there is to be had here. JonTron literally said immigrants dilute the gene pool. That discrimination doesn't exist and yet it's important whites don't become a minority group. There is no 'both sides'-ing that rhetoric or whatever. It is white nationalism/supremacy. As I said, there is a path forward for Jon but not with the views that he has. I would hope that you agree that somethings are just not up for debate.

@J.K. Riki

Well for a start, Playtonic equivocally told him F you and are removing his contribution to their game.

You don't think that hurts a man who idolized Rare and lists Banjo-Kazooie as one of his favourite games ever?

You don't think he regrets making those statements now?

Jon is just an idiot and I'm sure that he just is indoctrinated by people who have is ear but legitimizing political views like these as just difference of opinion is dangerous. r_hjort said it before on here: giving views like this the time of day normalizes them, in time they become seen as not extreme and they are handed real power in the form of coalitions. And keep in mind that while Jon may just be parroting stuff he's heard to try and sound more enlightened he's saying this as a person with 3 million subscribers many of whom are younger. It's the same issue with PewdiePie.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:46:20  - Edited by 
 on: 03/25/17, 05:54:01

For sure, that makes sense.

Posted by 
 on: 03/25/17, 06:21:26
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