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Negative World March Madness: Selection Saturday
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Editor
March 08, 2014, 20:13:23
 
Hello all! After Survivor Polls have taken the forum by storm, I thought I would switch things up and do something new. Since it's March, why not use a little format everyone knows and see if we can't find a new way to crown a champion of Nintendo games! Yes, it will be Ocarina of Time, but at least there might be some suspense!

Here's how it works: I've divided Nintendo games into eight groups: NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Gameboy/GBA, DS, and 3DS/Wii U. I then seeded each category using Negative World's own ratings. I only included games with at least 25 votes to make sure the most popular are represented (although I included Link Between Worlds as an act of executive discretion). If a game was on multiple systems, I included only the first version unless it was a true remake like Metroid: Zero Mission. The resulting groups are as follows:

NES

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Super Mario Bros.
3. Mega Man 2
4. The Legend of Zelda
5. Tetris
6. Contra
7. Super Mario Bros. 2
8. Mega Man 3

SNES

1. Super Metroid
2. Chrono Trigger
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Final Fantasy 6
5. Super Mario World
6. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
7. Earthbound
8. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest

N64

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
4. Goldeneye
5. Perfect Dark
6. Star Fox 64
7. Banjo Kazooie
8. Paper Mario

Gamecube

1. Metroid Prime
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. Resident Evil 4
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
6. F-Zero GX
7. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
8. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes


Wii


1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Xenoblade Chronicles
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Donkey Kong Country Returns
6. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
7. Monster Hunter Tri
8. Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Gameboy/GBA

1. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
2. Pokemon Red/Blue
3. Donkey Kong '94
4. Wario Ware: Mega Microgame$!
5. The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
6. Metroid: Zero Mission
7. Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
8. Metroid Fusion

DS

1. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
3. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Professor Layton and the Curious Village
5. The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
6. Mario Kart DS
7. The World Ends With You
8. The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass

3DS/Wii U

1. Super Mario 3D World
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
3. Super Mario 3D Land
4. Kid Icarus Uprising
5. Mario Kart 7
6. New Super Mario Bros. U
7. Pushmo
8. Nintendo Land

With seeding done, I created four regions and randomly assigned two games from each seed to the regions, so that a random one seed was playing a random eight seed, a random two seed was playing a random seven seed, etc. I used some discretion to rerandomize if I felt that a system or franchise was overly represented in a region, but there is no rhyme or reason to how they are arranged otherwise.

Starting next week we will begin voting region by region for games to advance until we arrive at victory. For now, let's just discuss the seeding, see who got screwed by random chance, what we think might be good upset possibilities, etc. If you don't like anything about how I set it up... too bad!






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Posted: 03/08/14, 20:13:23  - Edited by 
 on: 03/09/14, 04:33:45    
 
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@Shadowlink

I don't get why you have to be Nintendo Game Name Policeman. If you were like "man, I've always known it as Lylat Wars," I'm not going to scream down your throat "ITS STAR FOX 64, GET IT RIGHT." In fact, I've never corrected you on Boom Street. Not once.

But here you are, insisting that the game I grew up reading about, pursuing, buying, and loving is incorrect. Haha, "OK."


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 01:36:15
As a huge player and fan of the Game That Must Not Be Named back in the day, I think I know why this argument keeps cropping up. FF3/6 is a pretty beloved game to a lot of people, and for many of them, the name "Final Fantasy 3" evokes a flood of memories and emotions from the game. Mentally reassigning those feelings to "Final Fantasy VI" isn't always easy; as far as FF3 fans are concerned, "Final Fantasy 3" is what the game they loved is called.

Consider if your favorite game of all has suddenly become known as, I dunno, "Hero Clash." Would you be able to make the switch? Would saying "Hero Clash" out loud "feel" right?

On the other side of the fence are those that say it's confusing to have two games named "Final Fantasy 3" (or III), especially now that the DS has brought the official FFIII to the west. It's a valid point, but they often attribute FF3-preferrers to having ignorance of the series' legacy, when it's actually (almost always) attributed to the reason listed above: how they originally played the game.

For me, I still identify with the former group--it's usually easy to tell what game people are talking about in context. Although to prevent confusion, I typically just type "FF3/6" where applicable. And yeah, it means extra characters, but I simply never have had that nostalgic association with the title "Final Fantasy VI" that I do with FF3. I think as long as it's clear enough which game you mean (which can mean typing stuff like "FF3(US)" or "FF3(JPN)" sometimes), there's no real need to argue about it.

But like the Jargs says, his poll, his rules; either way, we all know what game "Final Fantasy VI" is at this point.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 01:44:41
Mr_Mustache said:

I don't get why you have to be Nintendo Game Name Policeman. If you were like "man, I've always known it as Lylat Wars," I'm not going to scream down your throat "ITS STAR FOX 64, GET IT RIGHT." In fact, I've never corrected you on Boom Street. Not once.

Strange. I haven't done anything like that. Yet I specifically quoted someone else up there who was all 'Final Fantsy VI? It's III! POOP SANDWICH ANGERRRRR'

So who's mad here, really?

But here you are, insisting that the game I grew up reading about, pursuing, buying, and loving is incorrect. Haha, "OK."

Nope. Just saying there's no reason for your ridiculous whining because Final Fantasy VI is a perfectly valid way of referring to the game. Unlike you I'm not actually getting mad about anything. If Jargs had put FFIII down instead I wouldn't give a damn. Just like I don't give a damn about whether the game is referred to as Boom Street/Fortune Street, or Lylat Wars/Starfox 64. I'm good with either.

@TriforceBun

That's all well and good and even understandable- If those people want to call the game FFIII, they can. No issues. I just think it's silly to get mad at someone else calling it by its other name.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 02:00:28  - Edited by 
 on: 03/12/14, 02:08:59
@Shadowlink

..Not entirely sure if you know what "quoted" means.

Have a pleasant day.


(And to clarify, the only person I'm even remotely 'mad' at is you in this thread with your incessant policing and accusing me of being mad at everyone when I'm not. Just annoy people until they leave. "Funny.")

Shadowlink said:
That's all well and good and even understandable- If those people want to call the game FFIII, they can. No issues.

Prove it. Not much more to be said here.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 02:25:30
Mr_Mustache said:

..Not entirely sure if you know what "quoted" means.

I'm pretty sure it means exactly what I did. Did you miss it? I'll do it again:

Mr_Mustache said:
EDIT- I'd also like to call "Poop Sandwich" on Final Fantasy III being listed in the SNES section and designated as "VI." Booooooooo.

(And to clarify, the only person I'm even remotely 'mad' at is you in this thread with your incessant policing and accusing me of being mad at everyone when I'm not. Just annoy people until they leave. "Funny.")

Did I say you were mad at everyone? No way. I'm simply saying that you're mad at the fact the 'wrong' name was used. And you are. See the quote (again). I'm also saying it's dumb to get mad at something so trivial.

And FYI I donít care if you leave or not. Iím just as happy pointing out the silly things you say as I would be not having to see them at all.


Shadowlink said:
That's all well and good and even understandable- If those people want to call the game FFIII, they can. No issues.

Prove it. Not much more to be said here.

Again, try to understand the subtle distinction. I'm not making any statement about *you* calling the game FFIII. I'm simply making an observation about how stupid it is for you to get upset when someone (Jargon) refers to it as FFVI.

You seem to get upset at a lot of trivial things. Perhaps anger management therapy would be helpful.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 02:54:33
@Shadowlink

'Final Fantsy VI? It's III! POOP SANDWICH ANGERRRRR'


Good gravy.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 02:56:50
@Mr_Mustache

That wasn't the quote, that was the paraphrase in the style that you already made up with your silly Starfox example.

You seem confused. Ah well.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 03:07:17
@Mr_Mustache

I think this is one situation where you're just going to have to adapt. In general, I'm all for sticking with the original names we used in the time period - I'll never call the Sega Genesis the Mega Drive, for instance, though I don't fault our European compadres for using the name they're familiar with - but this is one time where there's a logical solution and it simply means changing.

Because face it, there IS a Final Fantasy III. And it's not the one you're talking about. It's been translated and adapted and sold in this country under the original title, now. It's not some mysterious game nobody has heard about anymore. So persisting in calling VI Final Fantasy III out of a sense of nostalgia actually makes things more confusing for everyone.

I respect how hard it is to change this stuff. Took me forever to get used to calling that chick Peach rather than Princess Toadstool. But being insistent that other people participate in the quixotical attempt to hang on to the confusing old localized title is just pointless.

Adapt to the times, bra.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 03:07:18
@kriswright

Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound
Funny, but it's still rock and roll to me


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 03:27:37
@Mr_Mustache

For a second I thought, "WTF does that have to do with anything?"

Then it occurred to me.

That's a song where Billy Joel is trying to spin being out of touch as actually being open-minded. And failing. Particularly when you see the video and see middle aged Billy Joel trying to be New Wave and failing so hard.



I go back to, Adapt or Die. It may still be Final Fantasy III to you, but riding other people's asses about it is going to get you nowhere.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 03:47:55
@kriswright

I'm really not doing as much ass-riding as I'm being told I am. Really.

This whole thing could've been avoided with "oh, good point; put III/VI" and that would've been it.
C'est la viegative World.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 04:18:54
@Mr_Mustache

Can you think of another way it could have been avoided? Think real hard and you just might get it.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 13:12:45
@Jargon

I just chalked it up to a simple oversight on your part, didn't think it would be a huge deal.

Jargon said:
Also, let me know if anyone notices anything wrong (like the same game appearing twice or something), so I can fix it before we start voting.

You had a duplicate up there and said thanks when they pointed it out. Me pointing something out technically true is accompanied by an S-Storm. *shrug*


I "worked" as an editor on another videogame site before (also, ask Gui how many Database entries I PM'd to him and had him edit because of something wrong. I couldn't do it because I only have -3 clearance), and I proofread things for other people in my every day life by request, sometimes for COLD HARD CASH*. I have "Editor's Eyes;" it's a blessing and a curse. I've pointed out things to people before (not by request) where they had spelling errors or something wrong with a final product, and I was met with resentment and extremely hostile words. Is the better alternative in that scenario to just let it be wrong? I see stuff wrong CONSTANTLY that other people would be blissfully unaware of (ie: I saw on a show the other day where someone was referred to as "a repeat costumer." I received an email last week from WWE saying how some of their services "wouldn't be effected." Little things, on-air video, nationwide print, etc.), I mean, imagine walking through the mall and being the only person that notices somebody's fly down at that moment. What do you do? Potentially embarrass them now, or let it be a possible bigger problem later? Me, personally? I'd worry (for them) to the point of HAVING to tell them.

I understand how this scenario here is slightly different, but this is how I am. Sorry.

*Someone gave me 3 bucks the other day.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 22:43:18
@Mr_Mustache

Only problem with that argument is that Jargon didn't make a mistake for you to point out.

And you weren't helpfullly pointing anything out. You were just complaining.


Posted by 
 on: 03/12/14, 22:51:22  - Edited by 
 on: 03/12/14, 22:52:19
Are you all 12 years old or something?

It's perfectly fine to call the game FF3 in the context of this thread. Let's not act like it's a huge deal. We all know what we're talking about.

Edit: Jargon technically did make a mistake. Final Fantasy 6 was never released on the Super Nintendo.

It's all semantics though. A lot of people say Luigi's Mansion 2, but Luigi's Mansion 2 isn't a real game. We all know what we're talking about.


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:20:56  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:27:51
@PogueSquadron

I made no mistake. The sixth mainline Final Fantasy game was in fact released on SNES.

Jargon said:
Jargon said:
If you don't like anything about how I set it up... too bad!


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:39:16  - Edited by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:41:50
@PogueSquadron

If we all know what we're talking about, then why did Mustache feel the need to complain about it?

This isn't about what to call the game. It was about the ridiculous 'poop sandwich' attitude.


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:41:57
Final Fantasy III (SNES)
Final Fantasy VI (SFC)
Final Fantasy VI (GBA)
Final Fantasy VI (PSX)

are some published titles for the 6th mainline Final Fantasy game developed by Square. There was never a game titled "Final Fantasy VI" or "Final Fantasy 6" for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:47:24
@RAW

But the sixth mainline Final Fantasy game was in fact released on SNES.


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:52:27
RAW said:
Final Fantasy III (SNES)
Final Fantasy VI (SFC)
Final Fantasy VI (GBA)
Final Fantasy VI (PSX)

are some published titles for the 6th mainline Final Fantasy game developed by Square. There was never a game titled "Final Fantasy VI" or "Final Fantasy 6" for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System

This. Final Fantasy 6 was not released on the SNES. The sixth mainline FF game WAS released on the SNES....but it was released AS Final Fantasy 3.

It's a semantics thing, sure, but to say "Final Fantasy 6 (SNES)" is technically inaccurate. It would be like saying "Super Mario Bros. 4 (SNES)," when "Super Mario Bros. 4" was only the game's moniker on the Super Famicom.


Posted by 
 on: 03/13/14, 00:57:06
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